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Do female Anglican priests have the same power to consecrate the Eucharist as do male Anglican priests?

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Do female Anglican priests have the same power to consecrate the Eucharist as do male Anglican priests?

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The Catholic Church does not recognize the validity of Anglican orders, whether they are sought by men or women. In the Catholic Church’s view, no Anglican priest, man or woman, can validly consecrate the bread and wine. During the reign of King Edward VI the Church of England no longer upheld the Mass as a sacrifice. Therefore the form of the sacrament of holy orders was compromised, rendering it invalid.










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  1. morgan Reply

    That picture haunts me!

    1. Ben Fitton Reply

      Same here. It looks so wrong.

  2. Mario Simonelli Reply

    WOMEN’S MINISTRY IN THE CHURCH

    It would appear at the first glance of the scriptures that the Lord has neglected to give any ministry to the females of His human family; and the apostles apparently reinforce that point by saying that women should remain quiet in the church and not be allowed to exercise authority over men. As a consequence we feel justified to question if this is true, and if it is, why has the Lord ignored the talents of half of His followers?
    Today, most denominations through the wisdom of the world, have decided to set aside the Scriptures without due spiritual consideration of the consequences of their actions. They have given in to the world’s idea of political correctness, making way for the ambitions of some women.
    One consequence of abandoning the scriptures for the sake of political correctness has led some denomination to extend that policy to practising homosexuals. Therefore today we also have ordained homosexual preachers, who are growing in numbers and confidence in their new won positions. Their actions have also effectively cancelled the place and importance of repentance, which is so dear to our Lord, forgetting that it is our stepping forward to enter His kingdom.
    Some of us who trust the Bible to be the word and wisdom of God are still interested in what the Scriptures have to say on that subject, aren’t we? Therefore I hope that this short study will enlighten those women and men and make them re-examine their decisions.
    We should ask ourselves the following two questions. Have women’s talents truly been ignored in the body of Christ or is there some hidden spiritual ministry reserved for her? In order to answer that we have to examine most of the Scriptures, which highlight godly women’s behaviour, for the answer is within those same Scriptures that many denominations have disrespectfully set-aside, thus regarding a considerable section of the Word of God with contempt. Those Scriptures at first seem to lean heavily against women, but they are not in any shape or form detrimental to them as woman, or to their intelligent capabilities.
    We are fully assured in the Spirit that the following Scriptures are God’s prescription of Godly behaviour for woman and should not offend anyone. We read in 1Peter 3:1-9: “In the same way, you wives, be submissive to your own husbands so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behaviour of their wives, as they observe your chaste and respectful
    behaviour. And let not your adornment be merely external-braiding the hair, and wearing gold jewellery, or putting on dresses; but let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. For in this way in former times the holy women also, who hoped in God, used to adorn themselves, being submissive to their own husbands. Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord, and you have become her children if you do what is right without being frightened by any fear. You husbands likewise, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with a weaker vessel, since she is a woman; and grant her honour as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered. To sum up, let all be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly,
    kindhearted, and humble in spirit, not returning evil for evil, or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing."
    In 1Corinthians 14:34-38 we read: “Let the women keep silent in the church; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the law also says. And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Was it from you females that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only now? If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognise that the things, which I write to you, are the Lord’s commandments. But if anyone does not recognise this, he is not recognised."
    In Ephesians 5:22-31, we read: “Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the Church, He Himself being the saviour of the body. But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in every-thing. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loves the church and gave Himself up for her; that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Himself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wrinkle or any such things; but that she should be holy and blameless.

    So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies, he who loves his own wife loves himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, because we are members of His body. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife; and the two shall become one flesh."

    In 1Corinthians 11:3-16 we read: “But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces His head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman. For as the woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman; and all things originate from God. Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonour to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice; nor have the churches of God."

    In Titus 2:3-5 we read: “Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behaviour, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good that they may encourage the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonoured."

    1Timothy 2:9-15 states: “Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. Let a women quietly receive instructions with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the women being quite deceived, fell into transgression. But women shall also be saved if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint. It is a trustworthy statement."
    (This last verse has been restored to harmonise with the Gospel, because bearing children as we read in Bibles does not save anyone: as we all know, or should know there is only one gospel, for males and females, for slaves and free men.)
    However, from the above abundant witness of scriptures it is evident that the woman should not teach and exercise authority over a grown man, and also she should remain submissive to her husband, but it is also obvious that the submission is based on reciprocal love and not on a tyrannical relationship, which unfortunately in the world is too often the case.
    God has also ordained that man is the glory of God, and that the woman is the glory of man, for the woman was created for the man’s sake, and not the other way around. If anyone claims to be religious or spiritual he cannot ignore those basic facts, for they are the foundation of the relationship between God and the genders of the human race.
    If we are wise we should be content with God’s order of things, for contentment brings about happiness and fulfilment in our lives, as well as godliness in our service. Doing any thing else is going against God’s will, and if you are going against His will, you must be aware that you are not for God, but against God, for His will is not negotiable. God’s government is not a democracy, He does not change to conform to the political correctness of our times, but He calls everyone to repent and conform to His will and holiness; after all He knows what is best for us.
    Therefore having understood and accepted God’s ordained role for men and women, we can now move on to discover the ministry given to women, because women are unquestionably in the ministry and they are very important ones. For the women’s ministries makes or breaks the church, for God has ordained it so, as you will discover in the following lines.
    In 1Corinthians 12:28, we read: “And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues."
    We know that the Lord sent forth only men into the world to preach His word, for there is not a written record that there was at any time a woman apostle or evangelist or pastor, but there are records of woman being prophetesses and teachers. For we read in Acts 21:9: “Now this man had four virgin daughters who were prophetesses". And in 1Corinthians 11:5, we read in part: “But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head." So prayers and prophetic messages can be uttered through any woman.
    In Titus 2:3-5 we read: “Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behaviour, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good that they may encourage the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonoured." So it is apparent also that older women can teach younger women. It is also apparent that if the woman is not subject to her husband, strange as it seems, the word of God is dishonoured. (Or, it could be understood to say, she will dishonour the word of God that might be spoken by her husband.)
    I OF 2

  3. Mario Simonelli Reply

    2 OF 2
    Now to be able to fully comprehend the ministry of the women in the body of Christ, we must understand the workings of the human body, for God in His wisdom has given us a message that will never lose its potency…not ever. We all know the visible members and ministers of our physical body are the feet, hands, eyes, ears, etc. Accordingly, the visible ministers of the church are compared to those parts of the body. Apostle, Prophet, evangelist, pastors and teachers. However the human body, to be able to live and/or function properly has to rely on its invisible members such as the heart, lungs, liver and the kidneys. Those are truly the vital members of the body, even though they are invisible from the outside. They quietly perform a very important role in keeping the body vibrating with vitality, and free of toxin waste.
    (Read 1Corinthians chapters 12 and 13 they may enlighten you also on the matter.)
    I believe that God has placed the women’s ministry inside the body of the church, invisible to the outside world as it were. The importance of this internal ministry is paramount to the health of the church, the body of Christ, for the young in Christ need help, encouragement and grooming care to stay on the road of repentance and faith, in order to keep alive within themselves the hope of the glory and love of Christ. We see the women’s ministry revealed in Titus 2:3-5, where the older women are encouraged to teach the younger women how to fulfil their roles as wives, mothers and to be godly. In doing that the older women are teaching or ministering the basic principles of the gospel to the young in Christ.
    There have been great women of faith mentioned in the Bible, but the greatest of them in my opinion is Mary, the mother of Jesus, because of the way she unconditionally accepted the will of the Lord by saying in Luke 1:38: “And Mary said, behold, the bond-slave of the Lord; be it done to me according to your word. And the angel departed from her."
    Mary in her role of mother ministered to the total wellbeing of baby Jesus. In the scriptures I believe that the Lord calls on mature women (mothers) to minister to the young in Christ with the nourishing spiritual care that only a woman can dispense. Therefore we all, male or female, have been given a specific task that reflects His will, so that we may become blood related to our Lord for He said in Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother."
    It is also evident that the older women are very much involved in the ministry of helps or “intercession," this ministry is for cleansing the church of sin and so keep it healthy, as well as helping the Lord to intervene on behalf of believers and preachers in difficult situations. We read among other things in Acts 12:5-17: “So Peter was kept in the prison, but prayer for him was being made fervently by the church of God. And behold, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared, and a light shone in the cell; and he struck Peter’s side and aroused him, saying, ‘Get up quickly’ and his chains fell off his hands… And when he realised this, he went to the house of Mary, the mother of John who was also called Mark, where many were gathered together and were praying." I believe that this intercession group headed by Mary involved only women, and because Peter did not want to put them in danger he did not stay there, nor did he wish to cause a commotion outside Mary’s house. This tells me that women deserve protection and are very much included and vital in the ministry of the body of Christ, for without their ministry the body will not function the way it ought.
    The ministry of helps however, in today’s Christian churches, is often not considered to be of spiritual value, because helps is always used jointly with the affairs of administration and in organising some function in the church or to keep things in order and clean. Usually those essentials needs are also performed by women, but 1Corinthians 12:28 puts the ministry of helps on its own, for we read: “And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gift of healings, helps, administrations, various kind of tongues."
    The ministry of helps is indeed an independent spiritual ministry because as I mentioned earlier, I believe that it is the ministry of intercession; as we have already seen in the book of Acts 12:5-12, where there is a good example of this ministry in action. We have learned that Peter was rescued (or helped) by an angel sent by the Lord in answer to those prayers.
    In Luke 22:31-32, we also know that Jesus has helped Simon Peter by saying, “Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat; but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."
    It would appear that the ministry of helps is uniquely close and personal to our Lord, and like other ministries, not everyone is called or qualified to enter into this ministry, for the following scripture explains the guidelines for entering into Christ’s personal ministry. It is written in 1Timothy 5:9-15: “Let a widow be put on the list of intercessors only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; and if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work. But refuse to put younger widows on the list of intercessors for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married thus incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous pledge. And at the same time they also learn to be idle, as they go around from house to house; and not merely idle, but also gossips and busybodies, talking about things not proper to mention, therefore, I want younger widows to get married, bear children, keep house, and give the enemy no occasion for reproach; for some have already turned aside to follow the flesh."
    I believe that 1Timothy 5:5 also puts the unmarried who have been left alone together with the widowed in the ministry of intercession by saying; “Now she who is a widow indeed, and who has been left alone has fixed her hope on God, and continues in entreaties and prayers night and day."

    By the two WORDS included in the above verses of 1Timothy 5:9-15, we should all be able to see a Godly perspective in those scriptures, which exposes and lays bare the criteria for the establishment of the intercession ministry in the church.

    In Romans 8:26 it is obvious to me that the ministry of helps and intercession are presented as one and the same for we read: “And in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groaning too deep for words."

    In other words, only Jesus’ Spirit who dwells in our heart is able to intercede for us in the proper manner; that is the reason why young widows do not make reliable intercessors, for when they feel sensual desires they are disregarding the Spirit of Christ in them, setting aside their previous pledge and come under condemnation.

    If you are wondering what that previous pledge is, you should know that the pledge necessary to enter the intercession ministry is to undertake to crucify the flesh with its passions and desires. That is to say, they have pledged to follow Jesus’ holiness with body and spirit. So now we can all understand why older proven godly women are more suitable to the task. The Lord wants the ministers of all His ministries to succeed. Halleluiah.

    Now I should attempt to explain, why it is obvious to me that these scriptures of 1Timothy 5:9-15 have nothing to do with the alleged charitable handouts to widows, as it is commonly believed and implied by the flow-on of verse eight and ending with verse 16.

    How did I come to this conclusion, you may ask? There are two things contained in 1Timothy 5:8-16, which are not in harmony with the gospel. Firstly, by the implied flow-on of verse eight Satan has connected the Christian acts of charity with the obviously uncharitable judgment of the wouldbe recipient, for we read in 1Timothy 5:8-10: “But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith, and is worse than an unbeliever. Let a widow be put on the list only if she is not less than sixty years old, having been the wife of one man, having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work."

    The above unchristian judgment required before the alleged assistance is given can now be taken away, and Satan’s fraudulent schemes exposed, for we all know or should know, that giving charity is an act of compassion and no one puts conditions on that. If any widow has needs, how can anyone (let alone a Christian) refuse her the assistance on the basis that she has not been perfect, and therefore not worthy to receive assistance from the church. We know that if we do that, we throw the love for our neighbour out of the window, and we become worse than unbelievers. Read Matthew 5:46-48, and be reassured that a true Christian’s love is unconditional. So, I am fully convinced that the selection and judgment criteria for the list of the would be participants mentioned in 1Timothy 5:9-10 is for the holy and beloved
    intercession group, which must be selected before they are put on the list and pledged to this vital ministry of helps.

    Secondly, there is this inexplicable instruction, in verses 11 and 12 which states: “But refuse to put younger widows on the list, for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married thus incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous pledge." What previous pledge? For we all know and it is written that widows are released from the pledge to their deceased husbands, and can get married to whomsoever they wish. We should also ask ourselves, how is she in disregard of Christ?

    However, young women (or any one else for that matter) should not be allowed on the list and be part of the group of intercessors, because; if we have sensual desires in our lives our interest is divided. It is confirmed in Luke 2:36-37 where we read: “And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Asher. She was advanced in years, having lived with a husband seven years after her marriage, and then as a widow to the age of eighty-four. And she never left the temple, serving (helping) night and day with fasting and prayers."

    The above verses contain among other things the fact that Anna had only one husband. Strange as it may seem 1Timothy 5:9 makes this a condition in order to be included on the list of intercessors.

    We all, male or female, should know and should accept that we are His body and He can place us where He chooses, which will always be in harmony with His purpose. So there you have it. But if you are a woman and you think you have been short changed by the Lord, I urge you to read 1Corinthians 12:12-31, and all of chapter 13, and if the spirit of God dwells in you, you will absorb the wisdom contained in those verses, and be grateful.

    There is one obvious consolation for the ambitious women, if we can call this consolation, and that is there is no recorded personal maltreatment in the scriptures of women believers. Maybe the unseen (quiet) members of the body are protected as it were, and will suffer less and indirectly as a consequence. But suffer they will, because if one member of the body suffers, all members of the body suffer with them.

    Glory to God

  4. Vicki Sawarin Reply

    This is how so many other churches or denominations started. Thinking that they could change what they did not like about the teachings of Christ. If you want to spend eternity in heaven, follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Otherwise, do not expect eternity in heaven It is really , just that simple.

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