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Do the Episcopalian and Orthodox churches have the Real Presence in the Eucharist?

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Do the Episcopalian and Orthodox churches have the Real Presence in the Eucharist?

Answer

The Orthodox churches have valid holy orders while the Episcopal church does not; therefore, the Eucharist confected in the Orthodox churches is valid, but this is not the case in Episcopalian churches.









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25 comments

  1. ashong Reply

    Catholic church and orthodox are same?if it is why orthodox priest are married?

    1. 1Hope4All Reply

      This says NOTHING about Catholic Church and Orthodox being the SAME. It only states that Orthodox have valid ordinations. That does not make both churches the same. I’d rather be Catholic which I’m grateful that I am.

  2. Johann Reply

    Orthodox priest are allowed to marry before they get ordained 🙂

    1. rymlianin Reply

      The Orthodox Church has had married priests since Apostolic times. It is the Roman Church which , in contravention of the canons of the Quinti-Sext
      Ecumenical Council , imposed clerical celibacy. The Roman Church lacks a full Anaphora in its Liturgy(Epiclesis) and uses azymes in contravention of the Gospels which specifically puts Artos (leavened bread) in the hands of our Lord at the Last Supper. So, if you are an RC and want to experience the Real Presence, you will find it at your local Orthodox church.

      1. Dominic Benedetto Reply

        Our Lord used unleavened bread at the Passover meal, but, in any case, the eastern Catholic churches use leavened bread, so to say this decides the validity of the Sacrament is nonsense. You have a valid Sacrament, but your liturgy is illicit to Catholics. Maybe the Novus Ordo is, as well.

  3. Timothy Tubbs Reply

    Just as in the eastern rites of the Catholic Church married men can be ordained. It has been the practice in the Latin rite of the Church to remain celibate. But only Bishops in the Orthodox and eastern rites are chosen from those who are celibate.

  4. Tim Phistry Reply

    My question is, what about the Anglican Church of North America? Are they also considered to be a valid priesthood/holy orders? I know from the last time I heard they were seeking to be recognized as an Orthodox denomination.

  5. Deacon El Reply

    Some Catholic priests are married. Eastern Churches and some Roman coming from Episcopal communities.

  6. Andrew Reply

    Who is to say other Churches do not have the real presence? Only God knows for sure!

    1. Faith Reply

      Here we go again!

    2. emmayche Reply

      Andrew, only those in unbroken succession from the Apostles have the ability. Anglicans demonstrably do NOT have Apostolic Succession, and therefore do not validly confect the Eucharist. Both Catholic (all 22 Catholic churches) and Orthodox have Apostolic Succession.

  7. Matty Taylor Reply

    The Catholic and Orthodox Christians all uniformly believe in the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.The Episcopal church does have Anglo Catholic and high church parishes, few though, that follow that same belief. The Episcopal church on a whole doesn’t subscribe to the belief of Real Presence. Look up the 39 Articles.

    1. Gretchen Kenower Reply

      don’t know what Episcopal church you go to, but in mine we do believe in a Real presence..and there are more Anglo=Catholic or High churches than you know.

    2. Jenn Reply

      Found this article looking around and find it in contradiction to my Episcopal understanding. We do believe in Real Presence NOT specfically transubstantiation. Also we believe that we do in fact have apostolic sucession. That said, from my RC days aren’t RC only allowed communion 1x a day and only from a Roman Catholic church?

  8. Ben Reply

    I reserve the final determination to the Holy See. The fact is that many Anglican/Episcopal priests received valid orders from the Old Catholics, a matter the late Cardinal Basil Hume knew very well. If their intention to say Mass is to offer the Sacrifice and that they are validly ordained, then the Eucharist they offer is valid. But the question is moot since the Holy See determines only the validity of orders when the Anglican priest wants to become a Catholic priest. In most cases, Rome requires the cleric to be unconditionally ordained. . Catholics are not to receive the Eucharist from ministers not in communion with Rome except under very restricted conditions. And for the most part, Catholics will not meet these conditions .

  9. brgeem Reply

    “but this is not the case in Episcopalian churches” – what is meant by this ambiguous statement? If you suggest the Anglican churches do not maintain a valid real presence, you are very wrong.

  10. Ines Reply

    I think that neither Episcopalian nor Orthodox have the real presence in the Eucharist since they don’t accept the Pope as the head if the church. I think there is need to do more research over this so Catholics will not be confused.

    1. Greg Reply

      Eastern Orthodox consider the Roman See to be in schism and therefore outside the Church. Even the western Fathers of the 4th century Carthaginian Councils – within the jurisdiction of Rome – did not recognize the primacy of the Pope over the other ancient Sees – Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople, Jerusalem. There is nothing in the canons of the first seven Ecumenical Councils recognizing the authority of the Pope of Rome over any bishop outside his jurisdiction. Furthermore, the writings of St. Augustine and St. John Chrysostom – both considered Doctors in the Roman Catholic Church – refute the interpretation of Matthew 16:18 as meaning that the Lord build His Church on the person of St. Peter.

  11. john Reply

    I can’t believe the unfortunate lack of education in some of these questions still rampant to this day. But, thank God, at least, some readers will hopefully learn some truths by asking these questions in public. As a result, myths and misconceptions will fade. Respectfully, but not surprisingly, someone either did not teach well or held information or the individuals themselves have not been industrious students of church history, life and practices. Orthodox have always had valid Sacraments, within which the Real Presence was and is a reality, recognized even by the Western Church. Marriage for clergy was and still is an ancient and apostolic tradition of both Eastern Orthodox and later, Eastern Catholic Churches. Although, it became banned for the Eastern Catholics in the Western Hemisphere for an unfortunately long time, finally, the tradition has been restored by Pope Francis, due to his day-to-day experience, association and open-mindedness with Ukrainian Eastern Catholics in Argentina. Friends & Readers: the information highway via the internet will open a myriad of facts for all.

  12. Carleton Reply

    “Episcopal” is an adjective, as in, “The Episcopal Church”, “Episcopal priests”, “Episcopal seminaries”.
    “Episcopalian” is a noun, as in, “She is an Episcopalian.” It is not an adjective; therefore, one does not say “Episcopalian holy orders”, for example.

  13. brgeem Reply

    I think you will find that those ECUSA and CoE clergy and parishes that adhere to the Thirty-Nine Articles are indeed a VERY tiny minority. Only a small number of Anglican provinces expect their clergy to solemnly swear to them.

  14. Kevin Smith Reply

    The Anglican Church has always retained Apostlic Succession and is a Catholic Church whether Rome likes it or not. Rome’s criticisms are both fictional and non-historic. Anglicans DO believe in the Real Presence. However we don’t believe that Christ is resacrificed in the Mass. That was done “once, for all” on the cross. But then neither did Aquinas who defined Transubstantiaton.

    1. brgeem Reply

      “However we don’t believe that Christ is re-sacrificed in the Mass.” This is not the case for all Anglicans ( as you appear to insinuate ) quite the contrary. There are Anglicans and there are Anglicans – which can equally be said of Catholics and Orthodox.
      Your point about Rome’s ‘criticisms’ I agree with, and an increasing number of Roman Catholics are tired of them. I suspect the number of Roman Catholics not towing the line are fast becoming equal to, if not more than, the number who do.
      Earlier someone has stated the official line about not receiving Holy Communion at the hands of non-Roman Catholic ‘ministers’. My experience over the past 40 year has been that many Roman Catholic clergy – including some bishops – have been more than happy to share their ‘authority’ and push aside the barriers – despite what Rome says.
      Rome must come to terms with the fact that it does not, and never has, spoken for ALL Catholics, or Anglicans, or anyone else for that matter. This is something I believe the present Bishop of Rome is very aware of.

  15. NonTheologian Reply

    Eastern Orthodox certainly have the real presence of the Eucharist. As for the Roman confession and others outside the Church, God only knows. Any thing is possible for Him.

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