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How could Jesus Christ’s human nature be part of the Trinity if it is not co-eternal with God?

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If Jesus Christ is a union of human and divine natures, was his human nature co-eternal with God, or only his divine nature? John 1:14 (“and the Word was made flesh”) seems to imply that the Incarnation took place later. That, in turn, suggests that Jesus Christ’s human nature “happened” later—it was not present at the beginning, not co-eternal with God (except, perhaps, as a potentiality). If so, then can it be said that the joint human-divine nature of Jesus Christ is the second person of the Holy Trinity? Or is only the divine nature of Jesus Christ (the Logos) the Second Person? How could Jesus Christ’s human nature be part of the Trinity if it is not co-eternal with God?

Answer

Jesus is the Eternal Word, the Eternal Logos, who is eternally begotten of the Father and equal to the Father. When he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit in the womb of his blessed Mother, he took on a human nature and entered time. His human nature had a beginning. We don’t want to create a problem where there is none. The fact that Jesus took on a human nature in no way diminishes the Holy Trinity. One of the Persons of the Holy Trinity, since the Incarnation, simply has a human nature as well as a divine one. If we said that his human nature supplanted his divine nature, we would have a problem. But such is not the case and could never be.










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  1. paul Reply

    First of all, this is a GREAT question. A question almost 99.9% of Catholics and Trinity believers don’t ever ask.

    The answer posted above is ONLY true to the Trinity doctrine, a Catholic doctrine. Was it an invented doctrine? Yes. Does the Christian Bible say the same? No. The term ‘Trinity’ is never to be found in the Bible. God having three persons contradict what the Bible says.

    You see, the Christian Bible is in harmony. Every Bible verse needs careful understanding. There are a few verses (depending on the Bible translation) that may lead you to believe that Jesus is God, but he isn’t.

    Let’s keep this short as Catholic and Trinity believers won’t accept the TRUTH anyway.

    Who is the one God according to the apostles?
    “yet for us there is one God, the Father…” 1 Corinthians 8:6, New King James Version (NKJV)
    Who is the only one God according to the apostles? The Father.
    If the father is the only one God, could there be another one? Obviously, not.
    If Jesus were God, will that make two Gods? Yes, unless you break the rules of grammar.
    What is the meaning of the word one? Single, right?
    Sure, there is a popular Bible verse that says, the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one, but does that talk about the three persons of
    the one God? No. It talks about the agreement of one another (i.e., their unity).

    What about Jesus? What does Jesus have to say about the only God?
    Here is the prayer of Jesus:
    “Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You… And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God..” John 17:1 and 3, New King James Version (NKJV)
    Who is the only true God according to Jesus himself? The Father.
    If Jesus were God, was he actually praying to himself? He was, if you believe the Trinity doctrine.

    Lastly, let’s ask Jesus again. Does Jesus have a God?
    “Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.’” John 20:17, New King James Version (NKJV)

    It’s funny that the God (Jesus) of the Catholics experienced pain, suffering, and death, yet the Christian Bible says, God is eternal, no beginning nor an end. God is a spirit and not man.

    DON’T BE FOOLED! Believe on the prayer of Jesus.

    1. ronan Reply

      John 1:1

      In the beginning was the Word,

      and the Word was with God, and

      the Word was God.

      1. Molly Miller Reply

        Jesus Stripped his equality with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit and humbled himself to the form of a slave.

        ”Who although being essentially one with God and in the Form of God {possessing the fullness of the attributes which make GOD GOD} did not think this equality with God was a thing to be grasped or retained.” Philippians 2:6 Amplified version

        “For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.” 2 Cor. 8:9

        Hebrews 12
        1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

        In the original language “for the joy” means “he exchanged Joy for Shame”.

        Thank you Jesus for coming down from your throne in heaven where you were the Almighty God, “EL SHADDAI”, The Great I AM creator of all things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, and principalities and powers . You were rich yet you became poor. You were Almighty yet you emptied yourself and became a humble slave, you exchanged joy for sorrow , sorrow by dying a shameful death on a cross as a criminal even thou you had no sin . Thank you Jesus

        Luke 2:51 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them: but his mother kept all these sayings in her heart.

        http://i.imgur.com/vWcr3l0.jpg

        It’s interesting how Jesus The Almighty God the creator of everything that exist both in heaven and earth humbled himself to a point where he was obedient to Mary and Joseph one of the poorest couples in the world he created.

        Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church:

        John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

        Rev 3: 14 “To the angel (divine messenger) of the church in Laodicea write: “These are the words of the Amen, the trusted and faithful and true Witness, the Beginning and Origin of God’s creation:

        https://youtu.be/lFFkS0FhENQ

    2. Patrick Alexander Briggs Reply

      your comment is so foolish. so every single word pertaining to God must be found in the bible? keep your ignorance in you pocket and stop embarrassing yourself. better still just get lost from this blog.

    3. Lea Leger Reply

      Please sharpen your brain….John 1.1 In the beginning was the Word, and Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. Through him all things were made…….John 1 v 14 And the Word became “Flesh” and lived among us and we have seen his Glory,the glory as of Fathers only Son, Full of Grace. Genesis 1 v 2 the Spirit of God( Jesus ) is hovering over the water. Jesus was born through the Holy Spirit of God. John 4 v 24 God said in Zechariah 2 v14 I am coming to dwell among you. John 8 v 16 ..yet even I do judge, my judgement is Valid, for it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father. God became Man and that Man is Jesus, the light of the world.John 5 v 43 I have come in my Father’s name and you do not accept me if another comes in his own. References Daniel 7 v 9-14, Psalm 110 v 1, Matt.22 v 41 and 44 m Matt. 11 v 27.

    4. Kelly Reply

      Paul, what’s your point, other than dissemination? Does your point have a single thing to do with salvation? No
      Does your point glorify Christ to any new believer that just read it? No
      So, what’s your point? To “prove” a specific Saved by grace through faith in Christ? Or to try to show man your wisdom? You failed with me on both accounts.

  2. Nattie Toledo Reply

    You who have a corrupt understanding. Jesus is Human and Divine, when He suffered, it is because he was then doing His works as human here on earth. Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega and hopefully you know these words, so i do not have to explain to you for there is no possible explanation to someone who refuses to understand. I suggest that you read the Bible by Vulgate not by King James. For your information, all Bibles used by other many religions came from the Catholic Church. They just rewrote them to suffice or to satisfy their purpose, that is to start their own religion for business to get rich or to be famous. You must understand that God Jesus Christ is the only one who have founded the Catholic Church. Other religions/churches were founded by men also just created by God who are also sinners like all men. I suggest that you continue your research and read the real Bible written by the apostles. Thank you.

    1. Raymond Reply

      The Catholic Religion is just that “A religion” Religion is man made….
      Jesus started the Christion Faith, Born of the sprit Christion faith.
      I was raised a Catholic, seek Jesus and you’ll find “when your eyes are opened”
      The Catholic “Religion” is just the largest occult there is.

      They don’t even believe you have to be born again to see the kingdom of heaven…….

      1. Becky Jo Reply

        Raymond, I personally invite you to come back home, to the Community of believers, who Christ founded/formed, himself—we miss YOU!

        As Catholics, we also believe Christ founded the Christian Faith. If you currently believe “someone(s)” else started the Catholic Faith, could you supply the person(s) name(s), and the date, you believe the catholic (religion/community) was founded?

        What is the Christian Faith community you are a part of referred to?

        Can your Christian faith community trace themselves historically speaking to the first century?

        Who or what is your final source of authority, for you profess as truth(s) God?

        In your present Christian faith community, how are disputes and/or disagreements on matters of truths of God, handled?

        What does your community believe, (because of lack of another word right now I can think of will, call them gray “areas”) between the various Christian communities? Here in the USA alone there are numerous Christian faith communities, such as Lutheran, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Methodist, Baptist, etc.?

        Before becoming Catholic, fifty some years ago, there were at least 25 Christian Churches I attended part. My parents allowed all of us kids to go to any Bible based Christian community, we wanted to. Our parents were registered at a Lutheran church less than a block from our home, so for the most part, that is where we went, for Sunday school and worship.

        At the time I had great memory skills, and won numerous blue ribbons for my ability to cite Bible chapter/verses by heart–word for word. Among the various Christian faith communities, I went to, all of them believed the Bible to be the sole and only source of final authority, from God. If truths believed could not be found IN the Bible, they were simply not truths of God, but rather “manmade”. The faith communities I attended, were all “Bible based”. Each one of these Christian communities had their own “set of Bc/vs” which highlighted or shaped their tenets of truth, i.e. from the Bible “alone”.

        God bless you Raymond, I hope we can chat more, about what led you out of the Catholic Church, to what you presently, profess as a follower of Christ?

  3. ronan Reply

    John 1:1
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    1. will Reply

      And the Word became Flesh. John 1: 14

  4. vinny Reply

    Is it not funny how different religions yet the same bible have different interpretations of the Holy Bible . Then you wonder why are we so hard headed and just love each other and keep God in our hearts. Peace to all mankind.

    1. Becky Reply

      Vinny, I agree that we are called to love one another!

      The reason (in my humble opinion) is that the variant “Christian communities-religions” do not have chair of Moses sitters (Matthew 23), who have the power and authority from God, direct descendants from the Apostles, to correctly teach, His Word, unto all generations (especially here in the USA)!

      It seems to me, without direct lineage to the Apostles, everyone and their sisters are their own chair of Moses sitters!

      So Vinny, who is your present day Moses sitters, (with an unbroken lineage to the Apostles in the first century? Who have the power and authority from God to teach correctly, His Word, to His people….that we today are required to hear and obey? My husband (who as an ordained Deacon), is one of the present day “thems and thoses” (at the bottom of the list of Moses chair sitters), who has a direct lineage to the Apostles of the 1st century!

      As Scripture in Matthew 23 tells us, we are NOT allowed to do as the Moses chair sitters DO, when what the thems and thoses do, if what they do is NOT what they correctly teach! (hypocrites).

      We are ALL sinners (hypocrites imho)! Chair sitters AND pew sitters alike, therefore we ALL fall short (sin-not loving others as He loves us), but Moses chair sitters are held more accountable for God has entrusted in them the power and authority, from Him, to practice what they teach!

      Sometimes we who say we are following His Word, but live-act, contrary, while keeping God and His eternal Truth in our back pockets (hypocrites), instead of in our hearts.

      Would you agree, Vinny?
      God Bless
      bj

  5. Brian Welford Reply

    What did the wise men say for them to call Jesus when he was born.Emmanuel meanng God with us….Also they called Jesus , the everlasting FATHER, the mighty God, prince of peace…Also Jesus told his disciples to preach his gospel to all nations baptizing them in the NAME (singular) of, NOT NAMES (plural)of the father, son, and holy ghost…..Now the desciples took what Jesus told them and they went and preached his message of salvation and people got the holy ghost…Now when they started baptizing people they did not say , I baptize u in the name of the Father son and holy ghost….But what they did instead was say I now baptize youn in of Jesus for remission of ur sins….They also preached and told the people everywhere to be baptized in the name of Jesus, not In the name of the Father son and holy ghost…Now why did they do this? Where they being disobedient? No they were doing exactly what Jesus told them to do. The desciples knew what that NAME was, JESUS was and is the NAME of the father, son, and holy ghost…He is all three..The name of the father son and holy ghost.JESUS IS THAT NAME…JESUS IS GOD…No other name has any power.Thats why the bible says everything u do in word or deed do in the name of JESUS.U CANNOT CAST OUT DEMONS IF U SAY I CAST U OUT IN THE NAME OF GOD….OR IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER…OR IN THE NAME OF THE SON..NO, U CAN ONLY DO IT IN THE NAME OF JESUS…..SO I U GOT BAPTIZED IN THE TITLE FATHER, SON, HOLY GHOST U NEED TO GO GET REBAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS FOR IT TO BE REAL AND PLEASING TO OUR GOD JESUS….U MUST DO IT IN HIS NAME OR IT WAS A WASTE OF TIME…..GOD BLESS.

    1. Chris Weyer Reply

      You start off with some great theological points that are very solid, but I think you and I have arrived at very different conclusions. The first mistake I see is identifying Jesus as all three persons. In my understanding, Jesus is the Son of God, and one person of the Holy Trinity, distinct from the other two persons. But it seems to me that you wouldn’t deny that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct persons, would you? I think you seem to only be mistaken in identifying the name Jesus with all three, but I understand where this mistake comes from. I think the creed clears this up, though. “I believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty… I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages.” It seems odd to me to identify the name of Jesus with (and only with) the Son of God if the name belongs to all three persons. It seems to me that it is not a “waste of time” to be baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. God bless!

  6. William Reply

    Why does Jesus say, while on earth, that he is here NOT TO DO HIS OWN WILL, but the will of his Father? Wait, if they were one in the same, he WOULD BE HERE TO DO HIS WILL. Sheesh. Then when he talks about Armageddon, he says that he doesn’t know when it will happen, only the FATHER THAT SENT HIM. Wait…if they’re one in the same, HE WOULD KNOW WHEN. Unless you’re calling Jesus a liar. I wouldn’t. Just saying…..

    1. Chris Weyer Reply

      Your confusion seems, rightly, to stem from a misunderstanding that the Son and the Father are not the same “Person”, but rather share one and the same “Nature.” Each Person of the Trinity is a distinct Person, each co-equally sharing the Nature of one God. It is a mystery that cannot be fully grasped by our Human Nature, but a surface understanding can clear up your confusion. God Bless!

  7. Garcia Ben Reply

    And Jesus wasted too much time after his father sent him to save the troubled people on Earth, He rested for 9 months under Mary’s womb & added 30 more years before he started to organized a small group to help him in preaching to the people introducing his heavenly father as God & the same God for all the people on Earth. As a matter of facts supported by the bible & world history , Jesus Christ died at the age of 33.5 years old as clear to understand that he only spent 3.5 years to do the special mission from his father . Needless to explain that they don’t have any sort of transportation & communication system as what we have now plus the extreme Mid-East hot weather condition to slow down his business in roaming around the different places at considerable distance apart as surrounded by endless desert . By simple theory there is no valid reasons that Jesus was able to fulfilled his entire mission in a given time for only 3.5 years as too short of time that as a result there was lots of misunderstandings & too much confused among the people that he left with half baked knowledge all about the true nature of Jesus that evidently until now there is a major 3 divisions in belief related to Jesus Christ , >Christians, Muslim & Jews .

    1. Chris Weyer Reply

      Congratulations! You’ve made the first step to becoming a Catholic! First, it must be stated that the mission of Jesus was given ample time and was not to give the world knowledge. The mission of Jesus was to bring salvation, and he surely accomplished that during his life. The ministry of Jesus, however, which you seem to be referring to as his mission, did, indeed, not have enough time to grant us full knowledge of God — no amount of time he spent with us could do that, simply because he has infinite knowledge and we have a finite time in this natural life to learn. Don’t misunderstand me, though, Jesus did, in fact come to reveal the Father to us and to give us knowledge of the Father through his ministry. But the clarifying point here is that the ministry of Jesus did not stop when he died! And this is a great blessing! Rather, he left us his Spirit and his Church to continue his ministry after he ascended into Heaven to be with his Father until the second coming. A quick glance at the Bible makes it clear that this Church was founded by Jesus on the rock of Peter, and that the authority to continue the ministry of Jesus was given to all the Apostles and to those whom the Apostles in turn granted the authority (through the imposition of hands on the presbyters/priests and bishops who carry on that ministry even to this very day)! May God Bless you and I both with the understanding and faith we need in this life!

      1. terminallucidity Reply

        Congratulations Chris, You are almost to the final step of becoming Orthodox. Substitute the “rock of Peter” which is redundant to the Faith of Peter and you are almost there Bro.

        1. Chris Weyer Reply

          Agreed! I don’t see how any Christian religion could, in any major way, disagree in this matter if they would consider themselves Apostolic, but I think I’ll stay loyal to the Latin Catholic Church! 🙂

  8. Michael Reply

    One third of infinity is still infinity.

    1. Becky Jo Reply

      Great response Michael! Short, simple and one I am going to try to remember!

  9. DKBM Reply

    If Jesus was not a God, He could have not saved the human race. Only God can do that. Moreover, St. Thomas said, “My Lord and my God.” St. Elizabeth also exclaimed, “Who am I to be visited by the Mother of my Lord?”. Last but not the least, do not teach us with your false doctrines using OUR Bible. The Bible is a Catholic Book. Catholics have arranged the books of the Bible. Our monks have manually written the Bible over and over again even before the invention of the printing press. Our Church have been using the Holy Bible for millenia so if you think you are experts in the Bible, better consult Catholic Theologians. 🙂

  10. Tim Bone Loyal Reply

    It is not a part. Collosians 2:9 the fullness of the godhead is within the man christ Jesus. He is God and no saviour sits beside him. All power on earth and heaven has been given unto him

  11. ben Reply

    Beny gollan…

    Just google the trintary doctrine…? Its clear its catholic origins centuries after christ.
    This notion was never jesus thoughts. Its blasphemy and pagan.
    Who exactly was jesus praying to if in fact he was god?
    read proverbs from 8.22…. jesus in his pr human existance is speaking…..
    there is no room for a trinity… it is pagan and al christian religions who teach this are teaching pagan doctrine.
    read ist corinthians to get a better picture of truth.. i ccorinthians 15.24. After jesus human life… he hands over the kingdom to his father. .. and to ” his god”.
    That cant happen if he is god.
    in fact god the creator has a name.. Jehovah….
    look it up guys. No other name is penned in the original bible than gods name.
    Makes sense when he arranged this message for us. 2 timothy 3.16… its all inspired by God. .. yes like his son jesus he has a name as well.
    Catholics have tried there best to rremove it… but its there jehovah!

    they will answer for their crimes misleading mankind. And the blood they have shed!,,,

    its very plain.

    1. Chris Reply

      Good effort, but doesn’t the first chapter of John tear apart your argument?

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