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The 1967 Act, which decriminalized abortion, was as an “evil and misguided law”, Bishop Davies said

 

Pro-life campaigners will need more patience than William Wilberforce in their struggle to stop abortion, the Bishop of Shrewsbury has said.

In a conference hosted by the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children (SPUC), Bishop Davies said that Wilberforce, an abolitionist leader of the late 18th and early 19th centuries, had for long been “cited in pro-life circles as an example of perseverance in a moral cause”.

But it was St John Paul II, the Bishop said, who helped him to personally recognise “that the pro-life struggle, whose imminent victory I had at first assumed, might not be such an easy task”.

Bishop Davies said: “In this now global struggle, we must be willing to persevere longer than William Wilberforce who saw change in his own lifetime.

“We must be ready, like the founding generation of this movement, to win over one person at a time and to make this continuous progress among many setbacks.”

He continued: “I do not want us to doubt that we face a sustained struggle in the years ahead simply because of the immensity of what is at stake but to encourage us all to take that step, that action which we can now take.”

Bishop Davies went on to say that the 1967 Act, which decriminalized abortion, was as an “evil and misguided law” that had severely undermined that national consensus that human life was sacred, a conviction which originated from Britain’s Christian heritage.

The bishop told delegates that “we might rightly fear the vacuum into which destructive ideologies will inevitably enter” as the value of human life was increasingly obscured by the normalization of abortion and other attacks against the sanctity of life.

“Our wartime Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, was not a religious man but I often remind people he came to a surprising conclusion when the chips were down in that dark hour of our nation’s history,” Bishop Davies added.

“In 1940 he declared that we were fighting not only for national survival but he said we were fighting now for Christian civilization itself.

“Everyone was called in that hour to ‘do their bit’, as they then expressed it, to ‘play their part’, and I have no doubt that the pro-life cause is an equally heroic and noble struggle for Christian civilization itself and its recognition of the dignity and value of every human person.”

The SPUC Conference which was called, “Changing minds-saving lives”, also heard from Fiona Bruce, Conservative MP for Congleton and the co-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Pro-Life Group, also updated SPUC members on emerging threats to human life.

These threats include a new prenatal screening technique expected to lead to a significant rise in the numbers of abortions of children with Down’s syndrome, and of the creation of genetically-modified babies through so-called “three-parent IVF”













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  1. Patrick Gannon Reply

    The opposition to abortion is based on the idea that ensoulment occurs at conception, right? Otherwise, the fetus wouldn’t be truly human and it wouldn’t matter any more than killing an animal, right? Assuming that this soul exists, what happens to it when the unborn body it inhabits is miscarried or aborted? Where does that soul go? The Church is pretty adamant that baptism is mandatory for salvation, so the default position or starting point is that Catholic God sends it to Hell. Augustine struggled a bit with a god that could be so evil, and came up with Limbo, on the outskirts of Hell, but while you are allowed to believe in Limbo, it’s not official, and it still denies salvation to an innocent soul. You are allowed to “hope” that Catholic God is not evil, and that He allows it into heaven, but the hope is very slim, and if God can allow that soul in with original sin, why can’t He do that for all souls? That would mess with the whole original sin concept, so the RCC’s god is stuck with sending the unborn child to Hell; and what sane, rational person could worship a being that would do such an evil thing?
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    Fortunately we know thanks to science that the garden myth has no basis in reality and there was no literal Adam and Eve, no talking snakes, no fall from grace, no original sin, no need to believe, say and do the right things in order to be saved. We also know thanks to mistranslations, that Hell is not real either.

    1. Cathy Reply

      Well you definitely will be in for a rude awakening!

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        I wondered how long before someone insinuated I was going to Hell – I can certainly depend on Christians to say such uncharitable things! Which Hell will I be going to, Cathy? There are four of them. You know that, right? If not, then do a little research and get back to me regarding which Hell I should fear… but remember to ask the Church why they didn’t keep the original words, which don’t really mean “Hell” as we understand it today.

  2. Jason Ignatius Benedict Reply

    You are right that abortion is equivalent to murder (of course the severity of sin upon the mother and the person who physically performs the abortion depends on the circumstances) because a human being with a soul is created upon conception. Your question is where the baby’s soul would go right after that.

    I would like to ask you to consider what you would do if you were God. If there are two final destinations for the baby’s soul (heaven and hell), where would you send it to? I think all of us know the answer.

    If a sinner like you can have the mercy and compassion to realize that sending the baby’s soul to hell is inappropriate, what about your Father in Heaven? Is he not more merciful than you? Is he not more kind than you? Did he ever leave the Israelites in the Old Testament even though they are a stiff-necked people who are stubborn, often blaming God when facing hardship but forgetting God again and again after they have received their help? If you read the bible objectively with no bias whatsoever, you will find that the Catholic God (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is a merciful God, faithful, slow to anger and rich in kindness.

    Baptism is mandatory for salvation, assuming one already has full knowledge and the opportunity to learn the truth about God and his love for human beings. Someone who has full knowledge (a pretty high standard) about the truth about God and still rejects him means that he/she supports evil acts.

    Do you regularly experience intense anger / hatred when reading about the Catholic religion or about God? Emotions run high and judgment becomes clouded? The mental barrier that has to be overcome to pick up the bible and read it is so great even though the content is much more interesting than Shakespeare or even the Harry Potter series. Ever wonder why? If this sounds familiar, don’t be fooled. This is the work of the devil, who does not want you to know about the Father’s love.

    I will close my response with something for you to consider. How can you be so angry at a God who doesn’t exist who sends the soul of an unborn baby to a hell that also doesn’t exist?

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      I meant to comment on your reference to the Israelites in the OT. Are you aware that this event never occurred? There isn’t a shred of evidence, not a spear tip, shard of pottery, wagon wheel, shield or anything whatsoever to indicate a mass migration or Exodus out of Egypt – and we know some of the places they went and stayed on the trip. Archaeologists have stopped looking for evidence, and accept that it didn’t happen as written in the bible. The only way it could have happened is if that pillar of smoke and fire was a giant vacuum cleaner sucking up all evidence of their journey and very existence. Archaeologists also learned that there is no evidence for a conquest of Canaan by fellow Israelites, but the place was ransacked by Persians. And what of Bible God’s mercy when He turned them over to the Nazis?
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      The God of Abraham is most certainly not merciful, slow to anger and rich in kindness. You can tell people who have never read the bible, that line of nonsense, but Bible God kills millions, often for no good reason – such as the 70,000 innocents killed because King Dave took a census. The bible is full of story after story of his lack of mercy, his treatment of women, his insistence that all enemies except virgin girls be killed, his requirement that disabled people be kept out of the temple, it goes on and on.

  3. Jason Sunaryo Reply

    You are right that abortion is equivalent to murder (of course the severity of sin upon the mother and the person who physically performs the abortion depends on the circumstances) because a human being with a soul is created upon conception. Your question is where the baby’s soul would go right after that.

    I would like to ask you to consider what you would do if you were God. If there are two final destinations for the baby’s soul (heaven and hell), where would you send it to? I think all of us know the answer.

    If a sinner like you can have the mercy and compassion to realize that sending the baby’s soul to hell is inappropriate, what about your Father in Heaven? Is he not more merciful than you? Is he not more kind than you? Did he ever leave the Israelites in the Old Testament even though they are a stiff-necked people who are stubborn, often blaming God when facing hardship but forgetting God again and again after they have received their help?

    If you read the bible objectively with no bias whatsoever, you will find that the Catholic God (the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) is a merciful God, faithful, slow to anger and rich in kindness.

    Baptism is mandatory for salvation, assuming one already has full knowledge and the opportunity to learn the truth about God and his love for human beings. Someone who has full knowledge (a pretty high standard) about the truth about God and still rejects him means that he/she supports evil acts.

    Do you regularly experience intense anger / hatred when reading about the Catholic religion or about God? Emotions run high and judgment becomes clouded? The mental barrier that has to be overcome to pick up the bible and read it is so great even though the content is much more interesting than Shakespeare or even the Harry Potter series. Ever wonder why? If this sounds familiar, don’t be fooled. This is the work of the devil, who does not want you to know about the Father’s love.

    I will close my response with something for you to consider. How can you be so angry at a God who doesn’t exist who sends the soul of an unborn baby to a hell that also doesn’t exist?

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      I’m not sure it can be argued from a biblical standpoint that abortion is murder. The old law said that if you injured a woman causing her to lose her unborn child you owed money to the father. The crime was not against the fetus. There was no concern about the fetus; it, like the woman, was the man’s property. Numbers 5 describes a procedure for testing whether a woman was faithful (i.e. she’s pregnant and the husband doesn’t think it’s his), that involves Bible God’s personal recipe for miscarriage (abortion). He doesn’t have the least bit of concern for the unborn child, given that his procedure requires that she drink a concoction consisting of the dirt around the tabernacle where the the animal sacrifices took place – think urine, feces, guts, blood all over the ground – and the woman had to drink a concoction of that e coli infected slop. If she got sick and aborted, she was guilty (and stoned to death for adultery if she lived through the poison). If she stayed healthy and kept the kid, she was innocent. The husband, of course was innocent in any case. Given that Bible God has no issue with feeding poison to a pregnant woman and clearly no concern for her unborn child, I don’t think you can argue that it is the equivalent of murder in Bible God’s eyes.
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      Now, you ask what I would do if I was God, and that’s very different from what the Catholic Church and many other Christian denominations would do if they were God. If I was God, I would be all-powerful and could therefore simply forgive my humans if they actually need forgiving, and of course there would be no silly nonsense about original sins, and Hell would not exist because it came into being as a result of translation errors or shortcoming. If you read the Catechism and the papers that the Church has written on this subject about what happens to the soul of the unborn, there are limited options. You are only permitted to “hope” that God will let them into heaven; but starting point for the dogma is that they go to Hell. Research it yourself. Even Limbo isn’t official, it’s a theological theory. Now if the early Catholic theologians thought that the unborn souls were going to heaven, why did they bother to invent Limbo? Clearly this was an attempt to blunt the evil that God becomes when you insist that He sends innocents to Hell, which is what the Catholic dogma does. In fact, they have a detailed document discussing this issue, but the upshot is that all you are allowed to do is hope that the Catholic god isn’t a monster – that’s it. Google: THE HOPE OF SALVATION FOR INFANTS WHO DIE WITHOUT BEING BAPTISED*
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      You said baptism is mandatory for salvation and then added assumptions the catechism does not include. I’m glad that you don’t like what the RCC teaches, and that you agree that the God they present would be unmerciful if He really sent innocents to Hell – but that’s what the Church teaches. Let’s say that you are correct though. Let’s say God is merciful and He lets those souls into heaven. What then, is the problem? What harm is being done? Don’t they accomplish what all of us are here to do – to get to heaven? Yeah they get to go from starting line to winner’s circle without running the race, but at the same time, they don’t have to worry about believing in the wrong god or no god and thus be sent to Hell. Aren’t they better off going straight to heaven if the alternative is Hell? I can’t figure out, if God really takes them to heaven, what harm is being done. What if the soul really wants to come back here and suffer like the rest of us and roll the salvation dice… will God exclaim in a booming voice, “NO. I sentence you to eternal bliss!”?
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      Yes, I occasionally get angry when it comes to Catholicism – it made my childhood far more miserable than it needed to be. Yes, I get angry when I think about the children who will die of hunger and disease before I finish this post because the parents least able to afford large families are forced to do so under penalty of eternal torment if they use contraception. Yes, I get angry when the Church tells children that Hell is a literal place of flames and pain. When I was a child we were told that our skin burned off from the outside and was continuously replenished from below. Can anyone imagine a more despicable and evil being than the one that would do that? And then they told us this God was “good.” Don’t tell me about reading the bible, that’s what got me out of the Church. I’ve read it cover to cover a few times, and yes the contents are interesting – full of genocide, slavery, racism, sexism, misogyny, wrath, vengeance, rape, rage, fury, murder… yeah, it’s interesting all right, and it’s no longer pertinent to our society. The foundation has been completely debunked by various sciences – there was no 6 day creation, no talking snakes, no global flood, no mass Exodus from Egypt, no conquest of Canaan – none of that stuff took place and it’s the foundation for the god that Jesus believed in as a Jew.
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      I will close my response by saying that I am not angry at a God who doesn’t exist – I’m angry with a corrupt organization that claims this God exists, for its own selfish purposes centered around using guilt, fear and shame to enhance power and control over humans too uneducated to see what’s being done to them.

  4. Joe larocque Reply

    Patrick Gannon, I’ll pray for you. You probably don’t care right now but I will do it anyway. You probably don’t realize that those who know God can’t be shaken. There is evil,working through you. May God bless and help you.

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Pray away if it makes you feel better, but tell me something – why, despite the most fervent and deep prayers imaginable has no amputee ever been able to have their amputated limb grown back? Why is Yahweh unable to do that? Why won’t Yahweh cure amputees?

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