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Was Jesus “forsaken” momentarily by the Father on the cross?

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Was Jesus “forsaken” momentarily by the Father on the cross? If so, then are we saying that the Trinity was momentarily split? If Jesus was not forsaken by the Father, then what really caused Jesus such agony in the garden?

Answer

Jesus was not forsaken by the Father on the cross. He was reciting Psalm 22 about himself: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” It goes on: “I can count every one of my bones. These people stare at me and gloat; they divide my clothing among them. They cast lots for my robe.” It is most important to realize that Jesus has a human and divine nature. It was his human nature that suffered and died, not his divine nature.










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  1. Josh Reply

    Poor Catholic writer, twisting or ignoring the clear teaching of Scripture once more. Jesus himself posed the question, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” The question posed demands one to recognize that Jesus said he was forsaken. Those quoted words are his, not mine. Read your Bible (Genesis to Revelation), believe the true gospel (Christ crucified, buried, and raised from the dead), and repent of your sins, traditions, and ceremonies that do not stem from God. You can only be saved by the work of Christ, and the labors of your hands are of no avail.

    1. Hambone Reply

      Follow your own advice and read the Bible, Josh, poor Protestant writer, twisting or ignoring the clear teaching of Scripture. While the writer of Psalm 22 (probably David) begins it with the words “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” and continues with words of pain and woe, if you read the rest of the psalm, it’s abundantly clear that while he may FEEL forsaken by God, he knows full well that he is indeed NOT forsaken and sings the praises of the God who he is confident will deliver him. Short of breath from being slowly suffocated to death, Jesus would not have had to pronounce more than the first line of the psalm for every Jew in earshot to know the rest of it word for word, so what Jesus was saying from the cross– for those who actually KNOW SCRIPTURE– was “look at my wretched state, I may seem lost and abandoned by my Father, but my faith in Him and love for Him holds true, and I know He will deliver Me from my suffering.”

        1. Beverly Reply

          Yes and amen. Bible verses were not numbered for quite some time. They knew the whole Psalm by the first lines. God, I pray for our families, our churches, our unborn, our country, sinner and saint. You love and died for us all, Jesus.

    2. King mohomomad Reply

      Aren’t you a hypocrite ?

      All what you said is obviously false

      Come back after reading the bible heretic

      1. catstclair12000 Reply

        Just where in the Bible does Jesus say that He wants a Bible to be written? Where does He say that His Church is to be based on a book? My Bible says He founded His Church on Peter and that He and the Father send the Holy Spirit to guide His Church. I don’t see any mention of a Bible or a church based on a Bible.
        Read about the Protestant Reformation. That is where churches based on the Bible began. Those who turned against Christ and His Church began to follow men who said they were basing their faith on a Bible. Those folks are already mentioned in John 6:66-they walked no more with Jesus. The true followers of Christ give their answer through Peter in John 6: 68 when Peter said, “Lord, to whom would we go? You have the words of eternal life.”

    3. Leon Reply

      First, you can read those Jesus words on Matthew and Mark, which were written in order to proof that Jesus was the fulfillment of the Old Testament, and in specific the Psalms 22.

      Psalms 22 is believed to be composed by David, with Holy Spirit inspiration.
      David pleaded “Lord, why are Thee forsaken me… etc.” But then if you read it carefully, He prophesied the agony of the Messiah.

      Were David’s hands and feet pierced? No. Did anyone divided his garments? No. Did anyone cast lots to his clothing? No. Was he lying, delusioning, exagerating his suffer? Well, maybe.
      But we believe he propeshied the agony of Messiah in his laments.

      So Our Lord pointed and quoted that Psalms to make His disciples understood that His agony on the cross was prophesied, and fulfilled.

    4. David Blyth Reply

      With which authority do you claim that your opinion of Scripture is infallible Josh?

    5. catstclair12000 Reply

      Exactly. Read psalm 22:17-18. The psalm is a type for the crucifixion. The Old Testament is filled with types (things that prefigure what will happen when Christ comes). Remember the bronze serpent on a pole? Those who look upon it are saved from snakebite. Didn’t that strike you as strange for a God that destroyed the golden calf to tell Moses to make an image of a serpent on a pole? It’s a type for the crucifixion-Christ is raised on the cross and mankind is saved.
      Poor non-Catholic, no idea of what Christ and His Church have done in the world. Make sure you read John 20:21-23, and go to confession to a priest. Christ ordained it for the forgiveness of sins. It’s in the Bible, which was written and collated by Catholics.

    6. Revd. Neville Breitkreutz. Reply

      Amen brother. In fact Jesus/God actually died. We just can’t understand the way God works. Which is probably just as well1!! Blessings

      And how can a trained theologian say that Jesus was just reciting Ps 22. The words are real and have meaning. Isaiah 53:10 gives a bit of insight too…

  2. Tim Constable Reply

    The Bible states that God (The Father) cannot look upon sin. “Momentarily” is a temporal concept, which is inappropriate in considering eternal things. Yes God did ‘foresake’ Christ on the cross as he bore OUR sins and iniquities. This was not so much a ‘split’ in the Trinity, as a change in relationship, through which the change in relationship between God (all Three Persons) and Mankind could change. That is why Jesus was able to re-appear as a risen, victorious Saviour. It was not so much Jesus quoting a psalm, it was the Psalmist prophetically momentarily glimpsing eternity – and catching Jesus’ words! Choosing to recognise our NEED for salvation and making Jesus the Lord of our lives means that the price has been paid for all our sins – if we accept Him – past, present and future. So once He’s accepted as Saviour, there’s no need for confession (except in so much as it helps us recognise our own sin) or ‘penance’. Roman doctrine and practice has strayed so far from Biblical truth. Stop using the word ‘Catholic’; it means ‘universal’, and your doctrine and practice are FAR from that! Rip those graven images of Christ off your crosses; we worship a risen, ascended, glorified and victorious Saviour! Do away with the bells, smells and fancy dress; get personal with God! Scrap the heirarchy and pope-worship; cardinals, bishops popes – they’re only falible men; focus on Yeshua H’mashiach, He and He alone is our saviour.

    1. Stephen Reply

      Mr. Constable, you began your post wonderfully, but then, you stated a falsehood when you stated, “there’s no need for confession”. How would you square this idea with one of the first actions of Christ after the Resurrection, when He appeared to His disciples, breathed the Hly Spirit into them and stated, “Whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you retain, they are retained”. This presupposes for any reasonable-thinking person, that confession to a Priest is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. Additionally, I agree that the members of the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy are ‘fallible’ in themselves, as we all are; however, Jesus also said, “You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My Church”. This presupposes that Christ will act in Peter (i.e., the current Pope) when declaring matters of faith and morality. No less than 125 years after the Resurrection of Christ, one of the early Church Fathers used the word “Catholic” to specifically define those who follow Jesus Christ, in the Church that He established. Finally, in the second book of Peter, Chapter 1, verse 20, it states that Prophecy (Scripture) is not subject to a ‘personal’ interpretation. This means that you, me and any other human being are forbidden from determining for ourselves what Scripture means. So how can we know what it means? The only institution on the face of the earth that fulfills this command of Peter is the Roman Catholic Church, which has a Magisterium (teaching office), comprised of the Pope and Bishops that are united to him. When they teach in matters of faith and morality, they teach as a “collegial body”, not an individual–so that one Bishop cannot teach particular doctrine in his diocese, and another Bishop teaches differently in his diocese. So, given that the Roman Catholic Church is the longest-standing institution in history, and being the Church that goes all the way back to Pentecost, and to Peter himself (and we know every Pope since Peter, as well, right up to Francis), and our Blessed Lord stated that the “gates of hell will not prevail” against her, it would be quite a task to prove that the Roman Catholic Church were not the True Church established by Jesus Christ for the salvation of souls, and that His intention was somehow not for every human being since Pentecost to become an active member of that Church; rather, it is quite clearly His intention by His words in Scripture, “I pray that they may all be One”.

      1. catstclair12000 Reply

        The first to mention the Catholic Church in writing was St. Ignatius of Antioch. He became bishop of Antioch after St. Peter went to Rome to be bishop there. Ignatius wrote of the Catholic Church in his last letter to the Romans which was written shortly before he was thrown to the lions.
        The Romans tried to stamp out the Catholic faith by killing the bishops, figuring that, if you can kill the leaders, the rest will fall away. It didn’t work. The Church grew from the blood of the martyrs, the seed of the Church.

    2. David Blyth Reply

      With which authority do your statement about confession and other aspects of the Church the the Christ founded?
      Are you possible infallible Tim?

      1. catstclair12000 Reply

        Confession comes in John 20:21-23. Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins.

    3. Scott Reply

      “Get personal with God” you say? I couldn’t agree more. That is why Jesus left us his body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Eucharist so we could do just that. What an awesome experience.

  3. Janet Reply

    I used to wonder about that before I discovered that he was actually quoting scripture from the Old Testament.

  4. Andy Reply

    Yes he was Forsaken, to prove that sin does separate us from a Holy God, He knew the agony it would cause Him but He still went through with it because His Love for us was Greater then the pain and agony it caused Him.
    No repentant sinner who accepts Jesus as his Savior will ever have to feel or experience this separation.
    Unimaginable Love, Absolutely Amazing.

  5. Brown Prose Reply

    Psalm 23 speaks of strength and courage even in the face of death. I’m sure Jesus was well aware of this verse. Thus, it is impossible for the Father to simply abandon his very own son let alone for the son who knows that he comes from the Father or being the Father himself if we were to invoke the dogma on the Holy Trinity to light.

    I do not think Psalm 22 speaks of his being forsaken or temporarily forsaken (if there’s such a thing) other than to fulfill what has been told by Scriptures.

    The “forsaken” issue that are spoken of in Psalms 22 and in Mt 22: 46 bear their own metaphors for Christians to find hope in our own suffering, even if we sometimes feel that we are forsaken, that we will rise above them in the end.

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