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Why didn’t God reveal himself as a Trinity in the Old Testament?

Full Question

A Jehovah’s Witness asked me why God did not reveal himself as a Trinity in the Old Testament, and I could not reply. Any suggestions?

Answer

Just as Jesus did not stand up in the manger and announce his divinity, God did not stand on Mt. Sinai and give a theological exposition of the three distinct Persons who exist consubstantially and eternally. God is like a good teacher, who reveals his truth gradually, planting seeds, and evoking the truth of the conclusions from his students. We see Jesus doing this with his apostles in Matthew 16, when he asks them who he is.

A college professor of mine once said to be leery of someone who tells you everything about himself in the first five minutes you know him. Jesus did not do this, and neither has the Father.

In the Old Testament God needed to establish monotheism for the Jews to make them stand apart from all the polytheistic religions that abounded. Monotheism was almost unheard of, and if Yahweh had tried announcing that he is three Persons the people of the day might have misunderstood it as Tritheism, which is a heresy.

Today, we have enough trouble trying to get people to believe in the one true God, let alone many. Thus the New Testament was a better time for God to have revealed his true nature, now that the danger of a polytheistic misunderstanding had been eliminated.











97 comments

  1. franko Reply

    That was a very good answer

    1. Chuck Lane Reply

      The Trinity is laid out perfectly in the first three verses of Genesis. Check it out. God the Father and creator of all in verse one; the moving of the Spirit of God in verse two; and the spoken Word of God in verse three, which we learn in John was made manifest in the flesh through Jesus, His only begotten son.

      1. Huggy An Reply

        You explain the Trinity very well. The Trinity was already manifested in the first book of OT.

  2. rezaul karim Reply

    God is one…..he has no partner…jesus is messenger like moses abraham…David and mohammed……jesus never claimed divinity…but priest all of u made him god…..study Islam plz….may God guide us all.

    1. Lea Gale Reply

      Islam is a religion of hate and war. Open your eyes, the terrorists hide their weapons in the mosque, taught u to lie to non believers to depend your religion, for islam is ok to lie. Fact is your messenger muhammad was a terrorist and phaedophile. Is that a messenger of God? No. He is a messenger of Satan.

    2. Veritas Reply

      ask yourself, why are all the prophets jews, abraham, moses, and even jesus all jews. the only only who isn’t a jew is mohammed. on the last day, it is jesus who is coming back to judge mankind, why is god sending jesus and not mohammed.

    3. a10cowgirl Reply

      Islam is a religion of violence and brainwashing. There is only ONE God and it’s not Allah.

    4. arc Ordanza Reply

      Islam isn’t a religion, muhammad a false prophet died in 632 A.D. He died as a result of being poisoned following his attack upon and conquest of the Jewish settlement of Khaibar. The poisoned lamb “spoke” to him too late. Only when he realized he was dying did Muhammad “spiritualize” his suffering and coming death. Prior to that he tried to get well. Moses knew about his coming death (Deut 34:1-5). Jesus also knew of His future death (Mark 8:32, 32). Yet Muhammad was in the dark until he himself realized he was going to die. Jesus predicted false prophets would come into the world and mislead many (Matthew 24:24). Muhammad was such a false prophet. Both Jesus and Moses knew God face to face, Muhammad only had a spirit or angel he called “Gabriel” speaking to him. In the end, even this angel’s prayers were not answered by Allah. Could it be that this “Gabriel” was preaching a false religion (Galatians 1:8) to Muhammad? Could Gabriel have been a deceptive demon or Satan himself?

      1. rosie Reply

        Arc Ordanza when Mohamed stayed up the mountain in a cave; he was suppose to be there for six month according to his wife Eisha ‘s recommandation and after that six month he was suppose to go back to the village and claims he has seen God, but instead he has seen the Ginn means devil himself Lucifer. Lucifer has a lot of power even death but one thing can’t do is the reserection of death like Jesus does.

    5. Mark Reply

      Islam started in the 9th century . How would you know what happen 900 year before. Only selected verses and chapters are picked from the Bible in Koran.

    6. rosie Reply

      Rezaul Karim, I don’t know where you got your information from and please the Christians don’t take notes from the your Quran or the Islam your religion age about 1600 years old while the Jews ‘s religoon is over 5000 years old and followed by the Christians; Jesus is not messanger Jesus is the son of God, God the father Jesus is his son and the Holy spirit three in one. You might want to read their bibles you might learn things more than the Islam offer. By the way I know about Islams and what they offer and I know about Eisha and what was her role in Mohamed’s life.

    7. sifi Reply

      Rezaul Karim,,, go blow yourself up for Mohammed..and then you will find the truth…..you waste your life….

    8. John Reply

      Quran is fake copy of Bible. It is like a fake currency. Even children can make such a book like Quran. Muhammed is not a prophet. A person cannot convert into Jews religion. They are like a family. They don’t accept anyone from out of their religion. all prophets from their religion. Muhammed was not a Jew. How is it possible Muhammed can be a prophet of among Jews series prophets. Muhammed said himself, he is prophet. He created himself allah. There is nothing historical evidence. These proves, Muhammed is fake prophet and Quran is fake book.

    9. FW Reply

      GOD is a TRINITY …Jesus is Lord therefore part of that Trinity…Jesus DID claim divinity Mark 14: 62. Islam is false; Study the BIble to learn the truth for yourself and not the spoonfed indoctrination others have forced fed you all your life.

      1. Eric Reply

        Trinity teachings came after all apostles died. In the book of John, Jesus pray for strength and comfort. Ask yourself if Jesus was truly a part of 3 why would he pray to himself for these things. People the evil one has blind the eyes of the people of the world. Stop taking what you are fed and research you’ll find that the Jehovah Witnesses are right. Read John 17, you’ll either still believe Jesus was schizophrenic or find out bible truth that he is the son of God not a s twin

        1. aymamibrockway Reply

          Jesus was not praying to Himself, He was praying to God the Father, the First Person of the Trinity. If the House of Representatives talks to the Senate, are they being schizophrenic? I mean they are both “The Congress”. I know this is faulty example, but it is good enough to make the point that one person of the trinity can speak to another even though they are all one Godhead. The problem here is you do not understand the trinity. It is a very tough concept to understand. I don’t know anyone that does not struggle with it.

          1. Eric

            So if the trinity was truly a bible teaching and God, Jesus and his Holy Spirit are one at John 17:3 Jesus talked about everlasting life by taking in knowledge of two not three people how would this scripture be applied? Also if you read 1st Corth. Chapter 15 verses 20-20 it explains how Jesus would bring the last enemy death too nothing but when all things have been accomplished he would subject himself to the one who subjected all this to him that God can be all things too everyone. So if Jesus was truly Part of a Trinity why would he have to subject himself to anyone? Trinity is not a true Bible teaching and God is not a mystery if he would want us to take an accurate knowledge of him.

        2. Jonas Reply

          Before you suggest John 17, first read John 1:1-3 and 14.
          Jesus has dual nature, 100% God the Son and 100% Human.

          The prayer Jesus said in that chapter 17 confirm there are distinctive persons in One God, the Father is not The Son.
          The Son is God, the Father is God. But there is only One God.
          The Father willed that His Son, His Words, be the Way of Life, the ultimate guidance to humankind.
          Not just ambiguous human words we call “holy scriptures”. And Jesus promised Holy Spirit, and never order His disciples to write scriptures.

          Before holy scriptures was written, the oral teaching and the council of the Disciples has been established. Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the church wrote holy scriptures, interpret it and handed down for 2 millenia.
          When did JW born?
          They don’t have historical root at all. What scriptures they have?

          Read the historical heresies the Catholic Church has faced before 4CE.
          The so many “new teachings and interpretations” we have now are just the resurgence of those heresies.

    10. gus Reply

      i will not comment in details about what u wrote but many examples u have when Jesus as u said claimed his divinity but you as a muslim is forbidden to you to read the bible so my question why u comment on something u never read second about the partnership many versus in the quran that put mohamed status higher then god when u describe god as a deceiver of mankind and destroyer and the only truth is with mohamed and did not mohamed say that he has a devil guiding him but this devil is not to fear because he is muslim so by faith ur brother to this devil in any case if i praise god is that enough to be a muslim or i should say that Mohamed is his prophet to be accepted if so then u made the partnership not us. but i know what you will reply that is our bible is false if so show me the true one the quran was changed many times during the first 100 years of Mohamed death even old versus were burned and u know that. There is nothing to study in islam it is all myth stories about people of the cave and…. by the way u still beleive that the earth is flat and the sun is a candle and plz show me the giant chicken leg planted on earth mentioned in islam which hold the throne of god.

    11. erick Reply

      mr. rezaul karim islam itself is derived from hinduism ?? and do u what is in mecca dat u people worship without knowing the actual truth?? to make it even worser u people took some of the chapters from the bible and added it in the quaran as it is orginated….

    12. Patricio Punzalan Reply

      Who invented islam? Is it not mohammed? So, mind your own religion! You do not understand ours so better shut up!

      1. Silvano Reply

        Dear Patricio,
        well said. Mohammed invented islam, because before him there was no islam. Islam is a product of Mohammed, a man, not God, and we all agree on that. In fact, this belief is so human, I can hardly call it a religion. It is a way of life invented by Mohammed, a catholic himself (a Nazarean), who was sick and tired to live like animals in the desert, so copying the jewish people, he created a way of life, determining minute by minute everybodies’ lives, by a set or rules and actions, according to his mind. You may like it, you may hate it, but there is no religion to it. Religion in fact implies a relationship with God. Islam does not offer a relationship with God, only that He is there, and you have to be careful… Mohammed put God in his way of life, because he knew that people will ask: “And why shall we embrace this way of life that you are preaching?” If Mohammed would have said:”Because I say so”, everyone would have laughed at him, but by saying;” God said so”, people said….wow….ok, then lets do it. As simple as that, my friend. Peace be with you

        1. aymamibrockway Reply

          Mohammed a Catholic? Mohammed was a pagan. At least his parents were. It is a point of argument wether he was. He definitely was not a Catholic.

          1. Silvano

            No, Mohamed was a Nazarene, just like his whole family, his uncle Ali (his successor) included. The Christians in the Middle East were called Nazarenes, because Jesus is a Nazarene, namely from Nazareth. In fact, if you recall the symbol of the Christians in the Middle East even today, that was widely published at the beginning of the ISIL persecution, late last year, it was the Capital letter N, that looks in Arabic like a capital letter U with a dot on the right side of the U. What to us looks like a U it is in fact the N, the initial of Nazarene. Yes, Mohamed and his family were Nazarenes, and it is also widely known and published in the Islam books, which I read. Mohamed thus was a Catholic, because at his time all the Christians were Catholics (the Orthodox Church came 600 years later). In fact, I must say, that the devotion that Mohamed himself had for the Virgin Mary, for the Archangel Gabriel and for Jesus himself as a Catholic, were so strong in him, that he could not get rid of them, finding for them a place in his twisted idea of Islam. Further, Mohamed goes on and say that God is most graceful and most merciful, just like the catholics say. And further more, that Islam is not only for the Arabs but for all nations, calling Islam a universal religion, and that in his time too, was called Catholic, meaning universal. So much catholic he was, that he gave Islam a catholic character. By the way, Saladin, the great Arab General that retook Jerusalem from the Crusaders 99 years after Jerusalem was taken by the first crusaders, gave order to destroy all Christians churches built by the Christians in the 99 years of the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, but he also gave order NOT to destroy those churches dedicated to the Virgin Mary. How about that. And lately in all Muslim countries, people say that our blessed and holy Virgin Mary is appearing everywhere, begging them to love Jesus, the Christ. Muslims are converting to Christianity to the tune of 8 millions a year, so the statistics are saying.

          2. aymamibrockway

            No Muhammad was no Catholic nor even knew anything of orthodoxy. He knew Waraqa Ben Nawfal, Mecca’s religious leader for too many years, was tutored by him, and ended up marrying Waraqa’s cousin Khadija. How did he marry her? a la Islam? no his “mission” hadn’t started yet . He married her according to her and her cousin’s religion. so he converted to her religion and fact says It was Waraqa who pronounced them husband and wife. Waraqa was probably a Gnostic Judaizer because some of the heretical Christian teachings in the Quran can be traced to this group. “Nazarene” is a generic Arabic term for “Christian”, unrelated to the Nazarene sect. With such severe misunderstandings of even the basics of Christian theology and thought, I’d be suprised if Mohammad even recognized any given sect of Christianity as being different than any other. Most Muslims I have met do not, so I’m willing to bet their prophet did not either, since that’s where most of them get their distorted views of Christianity. Actually it would be difficult to say to which exact heretical Christian sect did Waraqa belong to because heretical sects were not unified in teachings or dogmas. So no he was anything but Catholic.

    13. augustine Reply

      The bible is not a literature Book. You need a clearer mind to understand the content and meaning

    14. Ben Reply

      Islam is a concoction of different faith traditions rounded up with a perversion of the real true faith of the world,Christianity. Just as you suggested we ‘study Islam plz’, I will implore upon you to learn the real gospel and stop fooling yourself from believing anything other than Mohammed was a false prophet.

    15. Jonas Reply

      Rezaul Karim: Yes God is One. Unfortunately, in your Quran God spoketh We instead of I, and Us instead of Me.
      So, it is ambiguous.
      God is One, so Christian is a monotheistic religion. Not polytheistic religion.

      There are 3 persons in One God, and your Quran said that God is not like everything He created. There are no One creature with three persons at once, conscious and responsible.

      So, there is nothing in the Bible that contradict your Quran.
      But your interpretation of your Quran, contradict your own scripture.

  3. Desmond Mapini Reply

    if you check in Genesis during creation the word “let’s” was used and not ‘let me’ meaning the divine persons were talking to each other e.g let’s create man with our image

    1. Jan Reply

      Read Genesis 1:26…God said “Let US make man in OUR image & likeness….plural! So the trinity was spoken in the Old Testament!

      1. Tana Zevallos Reply

        SO true, the trinity was since the creation of our world, and Genesi 1,26 explained very clear when it said “LET US” what it means is that God was talking to someone else and that someone else was Jesus and the Holy Spirit already there too. The bible don’t mention the word trinity but it mentions on Gen1,26.

        1. Eric Reply

          God was speaking to his master architect. The angels server-side by side for the father. God is the creator of all but commands the work of his angels to fulfill his purpose. It’s as a boss and his or her secretary. If the boss tell the secretary to write a letter who is the letter from. Or a designer created a new building who is the creator the designer or the construction worker? The evil one has blind the eyes of the non believer. Seek truth people

  4. jburgherr Reply

    Razaul, I’m afraid you are both correct and incorrect. You are correct that God is one. The Holy Trinity — God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are indeed one God in three persons.

    You are incorrect in your biblical scholarship that Jesus never claimed to be God. In the Gospel of John 8:58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” In John 10:30 Jesus says: “The Father and I are one”. John 17:5 “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.” Mark 14:61b-62 “Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” John 10:36 “do you say about the one whom the Father set apart and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’? ”

    Razaul, for the sake of your eternal soul, please turn away from the false religion of Islam. Be baptized and accept the salvation and promise of Jesus Christ. May Almighty God bless you. In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, one God forever and ever. Amen!

  5. Rocky Reply

    If Jesus was a messenger why did he come again after death…….
    In Quran Jesus and mother Marys name is mentioned more than the prophet mohammed….. You study Bible you will come to know the truth….. Praise the Lord

    1. Lea Leger Reply

      Muhammad twisted the word of God, they dont value life especially innocent children. Islam is areligion of evil..

  6. Mark TheJust Reply

    The Shema or Deuteronomy 6:4-9 contains the words that every Jew know: Hear O Isreal, The LORD our God, The LORD is One.

    That word ONE is the Hebrew word ‘echad’. It means a union or unity, which suggests a plurality in union.

    Another passage to consider is David saying, The LORD said to my LORD, sit at my right hand… (Psalm 110:1).

  7. Joshua Paul Krug Reply

    He did. When Adam had Seth and Seth in turn had Enosh, men began calling on the name of the LORD. When God revealed his name to Moses he revealed it as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and when he revealed himself to Abraham he appeared in three persons.

  8. Edward Fernandes Reply

    In Daniel 7 : 9,10,13, 14, the one seated on the throne is the Father, the one coming with the clouds is the Son and the stream of fire issuing and flowing out from the presence of the Father is the Holy Spirit.

  9. Tammy Liscia Reply

    God is One in three and three in One and always has been.
    God did reveal Himself as the Triune God in Genesis. In John 1:1-2, “…The Word was with God in the beginning …” The Word is Jesus.
    The birth of Jesus, a human baby, the promised Savior, was foretold in Isaiah and Micah and born hundreds of years after prophecy.

    1. a10cowgirl Reply

      There is no trinity. Never has been and never will be. Jehovah God is the one and only God. Jesus Christ is His son, Savior and Redeemer. God the Holy Ghost is Jehovah God’s active force. There is no spirit, or ghost associated with Jehovah or Jesus. The word Jehovah (God’s name) means “He causes to become”. That’s the Holy Spirit, Jehovah God’s active force causing to become. If you read the bible it will become clear.

      1. arc Ordanza Reply

        The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

        The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God). “I and Father are one (John 10:30)

      2. Silvano Reply

        Dear a10cowgirl…. your religion, the Jehovah witness, and Islam are saying the same thing about God and about Jesus…you may as well call yourself a Muslim, shame on you.

        1. Jessi J. P Reply

          a10cowgirl: The name Jehovah is not the real name of God. In Hebrew alphabet there is no letter J. According to the World New Bible Translation Committee Feb. 9, 1950, New York, NY. “While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yahweh” as the more correct way, we have retained the formed “Jehovah” because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14th century. Moreover it preserves, equally with other forms, the four letters of the “Tetragrammation “YHWH”. Reasoning from the scriptures page 192. Hence some moderns have framed the name “Jehovah” unknown to all ancients whether Jews or Christians; for the true pronunciation of the name, which is in Hebrew text, by long disuse is quite lost. Are you telling us this big lie to prove yourself that your correct that the true name of God is “Jehovah”? Pls. read your old book of the New World Translations, there you will see what your leaders are not telling you about the truth.

          1. Rose Ramirez

            You Jehovas witnesses are just twisting your head. How can you call your selves Jehovas witnesses when in fact, Jehova never show His holy face to anybody? Not even you , because you, your selves not yet born when Moses have chance talking to God. Please don’t call your selves Jehovas witnesses because that is a big lie. Jesus Appears to His Disciples Matt. 28.16-20′ Mark 16-14:18 John 20 :1923” Acts1:6-8 Christ is the one who show his face, hands and feet, ate on the table with His disciples and said to them ” John 24:29 you are witnesses of these things.

      3. prince Reply

        Your right there’s no such word as trinity in the Bible, but there’s no such name as Jehovah in the original manuscript of the Old Testament & the New Testament. The personal name of the God of the Hebrew is YHWH (Yahweh) not Jehovah. Pls read your book Reasoning from the scriptures page 192: Hence some moderns have framed the name Jehovah unknown to all the ancients, whether Jews or Christians; is your book telling the truth or just lying? If the Holy Ghost is just an active force why then did He instructed Peter in “Acts 11:12 12 Then the spirit told me to go with them, not doubting at all. But these six brothers also went with me, and we entered into the house of the man". Does an active force like breathe or blow, wind, electricity etc. has a mind to what he is going to say by giving instruction to Peter? According to what your teaching say that the holy spirit is just an active force like a breathe or blow, wind, electricity etc. meaning not a person. It’s clear now that wind & electricity etc. not a person can now talk and give instruction as what peter heard. Right. Do you really believe that way?

        1. Eric Reply

          Did you know that Yhwh in English translation into Jehovah? And if you knew that the scripture it says that God’s Word is alive? What is the Bible stating. It also states that no man could see God and live. It also states that God can not died. So ask yourself if this is true and I’m assuming that you believe that the Bible is God’s Word and not just man written does any of these scriptures apply to the Christ. He was seen by many and he died. The Holy Spirit is alive and well but just as God’s Word is alive so is his active force which was given to Christ at his baptism. Remember that woman with the flow of blood that touch Jesus
          He asked who touch him ,why? I think you need to do a little more research on the subject

          1. prince

            So your telling me that the true God of the Hebrew is Jehovah not YHWH? It’s a big LIE. Maybe you didn’t understand what the watchtower wrote in their book, again please read Reasoning from the scripture page 192: Hence some moderns have framed the name Jehovah unknown to all ancients, whether Jews or Christians; are they telling you the truth or just deceiving you? Yes! God’s word is alive no questions about it. Who told you that no man could see God and live. Please read John 4:8-9 …8Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father; did they see God in the person of Jesus or not? Please read Philippians 2:6-8 & John 1:14 this what applies to Christ. You said the Holy Spirit is alive and well it refers to a person then you change to active force like what the watchtower doctrine compared to an electricity without life. You are confuse what you’re saying? Please read John 1:32 & Matthew 3:16, Why a Dove because God is showing us that the Holy Spirit is alive not a lightening without life. Matthew 9:21-22 here is the answer: 21 She said to herself, “If I only touch his cloak, I will be healed."22 Jesus turned and saw her. “Take heart, daughter," he said, “your faith has healed you." And the woman was healed at that moment.Thanks Bro!

          2. Eric

            Jehovah is simply the English translation for Yhwh. Translation are common in the world sense we speak different languages. And ask yourself what was Jesus missionary work for. Jehovah OR YHWH was a not know well in biblical times. Jesus said that who seen me also seen the father merely stating he is a replica of the father. A example you have a father if you were raised with him you can pick up mannerisms traits and ways he dealt with situations and people would say, he a chip off the old block. Now imagine being with your father for eons do you think you might pick up a few traits? Jesus has refer to Jehovah throughout the time he was here on earth. Why would the supreme being lower himself to a slaves form when he has a unknown number of perfect son’s in heaven? Jesus did for he loves the father more than what our minds could imagine. I will leave you with this the Bible states the evil one has blind the eyes of the unbelievers. Pray for insight because your spiritual leaders isn’t telling you the truth. I will pray that your eyes will one day see the truth the world has hid from you. Peace

          3. prince

            “The first recorded use of this form [Jehovah] dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favor “Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation." [Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, page. 885]
            “By combining the vowels of ‘Adho-nay and ‘Elo-him’ with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yehowah and Yehowih were formed…The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form “Jehova[h]." [Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp.884]
            “While inclining to view the pronunciation “Yahweh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form “Jehovah" because of people’s familiarity with it since the 14th century.[The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scripture, 1969, page. 23]
            Watchtower admits that the name “Yahweh" is more correct than the name “Jehovah". Are they lying and hiding you this truth? 1 John 4:1 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
            This is what the watchtower doesn’t want you to know. You have to open your eyes search for the truth. Yes! I prayed for insights that I will learned more about your religion if watchtower is telling me the truth or not? Please read: 1 Corinthians 2:4-5; 1 Corinthians 3:19; God bless you.

          4. Eric

            My name is Eric but some my spell it Erick. Are those who spell it that way wrong? Maybe maybe not the fact that they are trying to identify me as who I am is the important part. We but agree that Yhwh is the most high personal name. Now you might pronounce it differently from me but the most high understand that we are not perfect humans but you think he’ll rather us not use a universal way of using his name or should we just use the title God? The fact that you rather argue that it not pronounced right or wrong has stopped you from using the name that the Bible says has power in it. Jesus name is pronounced different in many regions should I stop using the English translation since it’s not Hebrew? We as people has found ways to make the Bible fit our views. Plus you keep referring to the Watchtower which I have read before but my sources come from many years of searching for the truth and not settling from nothing else. I know that the Bible says that God can not die but Jesus did tells me that they are not the same. I been studying the Bible for over 35 years and I get something new every so often. It comes that the Trinity is a term way after the 12 passed away and man put there own spin. Sound like the god of this world but you go ahead and do what you feel is right but for me I will use Jehovah in my prayers and life because the King Jesus Christ tells me to. Because I can agree to disagree I will no longer reply to your post. Peace

          5. prince

            Thank you very much Bro. Eric for sharing me your ideas I respect whatever belief you have. Nice talking to you… Jehovah bless you always.

  10. pilgrim77 Reply

    Psalm 110 v1: The LORD said to my Lord..the psalm shows the difference in regards to the Creator (in capital letters) and Jesus (Lord )..

  11. stephy Reply

    Unfortunately the danger of polytheism is not so past as we would like to think. The Neo-Pagan movement is a thing and it seems to be gaining momentum.

  12. Mike Reply

    Read Genesis: “Let US make man after OUR image and OUR likeness.” Jesus is found all throughout the Bible. Jesus is the Word who became flesh. Read the Bible.

  13. marvin Reply

    It did, read the bible again.

  14. Claudia Sperlich Reply

    Good explanation! He did however give hints in the Old Testament. The word for wind, also meaning “breath” and “spirit”, is often used referring to the Lord. The Messiah is announced as Son of God. And of course, God is called “Father” several times.

  15. Rob Neville Reply

    God as depicted in the Torah is not a monotheistic god. He is the Chief god amongst gods – thou shalt have no other god before me – Whoa to those who worship other gods – There is nothing that states there are no other Gods but me – you have been mistaken – it wasn’t until the Temple of Jerusalem – house of the god who defeated the Egyptians was destroyed by the Romans – that the theology of monotheism began to take place – monotheism is way newer than the Torah – the notion that any human can describe the nature of the divine is at best false at worst blasphemy

  16. a10cowgirl Reply

    There is no trinity. Study the bible. It’s Jehovah God (the Father), Jesus Christ (the Redeemer) and Jehovah God’s active force is what the Catholics call God the Holy Ghost. There is NO TRINITY. When I read the true bible not the Catholic version, it opened my eyes to a lot of BS from the Catholic Church. Oh by the way, the Romans tortured and crucified Christ. Hince…the Roman Catholic Church. Wake up before it’s too late.

    1. arc Ordanza Reply

      wake up yoursel a10cowgil…. The doctrine of the Trinity is encapsulated in Matthew 28:19, where Jesus instructs the apostles: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

      The parallelism of the Father, the Son, and the Spirit is not unique to Matthew’s Gospel, but appears elsewhere in the New Testament (e.g., 2 Cor. 13:14, Heb. 9:14), as well as in the writings of the earliest Christians, who clearly understood them in the sense that we do today—that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are three divine persons who are one divine being (God).

    2. Margaret Elward Reply

      There is only one God, three persons in one! If you say you believe in Father,son and Holy Spirit separately,then you are worshipping three Gods.
      They are distinct, yet inseperable! One true and living God!

      1. Eric Reply

        Margaret think about. Jesus life on earth was for 1 purpose and that was to teach about his father who was unknown to many due to religious beliefs teaching that he was quick tempered and such. Read the book of John, jesus refer to the Father throughout the book in chapter 17 he prayers wholeheartedly to the Father. Now ask yourself this who is he talking to. If he was 1 why pray when he’s by himself? Why refer to the people that it’s not my will but the will of whom sent me. On the torture stake he said before he died it’s been complete. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise because in today’s world people who talk to themselves are call schizophrenic. Do you believe that Jesus was schizophrenic? Reading the gospels then saying that he is 3 is saying so. I do believe that he is the closest being to the father , the master architect the arc angel but not Jehovah in which Psl 83: 18 says you ALONE are the most high over the earth

  17. Ruth Reply

    God did reveal himself in the Trinity. When He said…Let “US” make man in “OUR” image in “OUR” likeness Genesis 1:26 and then the “US” continues many times in the OT…especially in Psalm

    1. a10cowgirl Reply

      Jehovah God was referring to Himself as the God Head, and His Son, Jesus Christ, who was with Him in heaven at the time. There is no trinity. I used to be Catholic and this is what they preached to everyone. As I got older, I studied the bible over a period of about 10 years. I know what’s in there. I studied the exact translation from Hebrew and Greek. There is no trinity period. The Holy Spirit is God’s active force. The name Jehovah, mean “He causes to become”. Literal translation. That’s His active force. Nothing magical, nothing to do with another personage. If you really think about the “Holy Spirit” it will make sense to you.

      1. Lali Reply

        a10cowgirl you said that you have study the Bible for 10 years. And u found no trinity in the Bible. Yet you claim that Holy Spirit is God`s active force. Where does the Bible tells that Holy Spirit is God`s active force, as i have found no where in the Bible and i been reading the Bible for 20 years? Ah yes i have found that in watch towers magazine a few times! Do u call those magazines Bible?

        1. prince Reply

          Truly you can’t find the Holy Spirit is God`s active force in any Bible only from their doctrines They claim to spend hours each week studying “the Bible”, but much of their time is spent studying what their Watchtower organization says about the Bible, and not the Bible itself. They are not allowed to read the Bible alone without them, if so you are considered as an Apostate.The Watchtower organization is truly a mind-control organization “Minds must be cleaned" (Watchtower June 1, 1953, page 350, par. 24). They maintain control of their people by various means. One way is to firmly forbid them from looking at any theological literature except Watchtower publications. (Non-Watchtower materials are called “apostate literature.”) It is forbidden to challenge the Watchtower organization in any way. So it is considered wrong to even ask challenging questions at JW meetings, or to even think thoughts contrary to their teachings! If you are guilty of bucking the system, you can be “disfellowshipped.” If that happens, even your family will no longer speak to you!

          1. aymamibrockway

            Hhhhmmm, minds must be cleaned, forbid challenging the Watchtower, disfellowshipping, families turn against you. Sounds like the true church of Christ to me. Everybody just keep moving along. There is nothing to see here. Follow the painted stripe, no talking.

          2. prince

            Am I challenging the Watchtower? Please read 1 John 4:1 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. God instructed us to test all spirits if it’s from God or not? Mark 7:7 7 It is in vain that they keep worshipping me, for they teach commands of men as doctrines.’ “Minds must be cleaned" (Watchtower June 1, 1953, page 350, par. 24). Is Watchtower telling you the truth or just a lie? 2 Corinthians 1New International Version (NIV) 1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God in Corinth, together with all his holy people throughout Achaia: This is the true church written in the Bible. Is Jehovah Witnesses the true church of God written in the Bible?

          3. aymamibrockway

            You do understand sarcasm, right?

          4. prince

            sar•casm – the use of irony to mock or convey contempt. Let me ask you, is this how you understand the Bible when Jesus said to the Phrases you snakes in Mathew 23:33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? Who then did I sarcasm the Watchtower which was just founded by man’s organization(ideas) or God? Remember nobody here on earth is superior than God’s authority which is the word of God not on the words of men who tells lies and full of deceits. Psalm 10:7 His mouth is full of lies and threats; trouble and evil are under his tongue. 1 John 2:4 Whoever says “I know him" but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared: How then do you understand truth when your blinded by lies & deceits so the truth is not within you? John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

          5. aymamibrockway

            You still don’t get it? Read some of my previous comments. I’m not JH!

          6. prince

            It’s not what’s your comment is all about but you ask me what is sar•casm? For what reason did you ask me that question? And you are answering me as if you are a JH. I respect your belief about the Catholic Church and they never attack different religions. Many are protestants.

      2. aymamibrockway