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Why isn’t Noah a saint?

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Why isn’t Noah a saint?

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Formal canonization is a process that developed hundreds of years after the founding of the Church. Before that, righteous people were “recognized” or “acclaimed” by the Christian communities to be saints. That is why Old and New Testament saints (including the Blessed Virgin Mary) were never formally canonized. Noah is one of the righteous people of the Old Testament who are generally considered to be in heaven. Indeed, in the “hall of fame” chapter of Hebrews, which records the righteous deeds of Old Testament saints, Noah is included in the roster:

By faith Noah, being warned by God concerning events as yet unseen, took heed and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; by this he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness which comes by faith (Heb. 11:7).










8 comments

  1. Diffal Reply

    Thats not really a complete answer. Even without formal canonisations we do recognise Our Lady, The Apostles and several Old Testament individuals as saints(Check the Roman Martyrology for the feast day of, among others, King David(29 Dec), Moses(4 Sept-there is a fine Church dedicated to St. Moses in Venice), Elijah(2 July), and Isaiah(6 July). Noah is not, for whatever reason, listed anywhere in the Latin Church or as far as I can find, in the eastern Churches as a saint.

  2. Patrick Gannon Reply

    Making Noah a saint is even more problematic than making Mother Theresa a saint. This would force the Church to get involved in discussions about the historicity of the flood, and once people start asking questions about Noah, they’ll continue to ask questions about other things in the bible that the RCC would prefer not to discuss, such as evolution and original sin. Any flood that might have occurred would have been based on a local event, as we know beyond any reasonable doubt that there was no global flood.

    The story also opens up questions about the Abrahamic God. Killing everyone on earth is not an act of justice, kindness or mercy, nor a good way to sweep one’s problems under the rug. It sets a horrible precedent (and of course this sort of violence continues in the Bronze Age myths with the mythological conquest of Canaan following the mythical Exodus out of Egypt). All humans except those with Noah clearly did not perish and clearly there was no global flood. I’m aware of no DNA evidence to suggest we all came from 8 people.

    One can’t help but wonder why Bible God didn’t snuff out original sin when there were only 8 people left. The myth says He wiped out the entire world, but these 8 people, yet he allowed the one thing that made them bad in the first place – original sin – to persist. What kind of management is that?

    The RCC wants us to be afraid of God, but they’d prefer He not be seen as worse than Hitler, and dumb as a brick. Trying to canonize Noah would open a whole box of worms for the RCC. Not going to happen.

  3. procesa s baloran Reply

    I myself believe Noah and all the prophets were saint because they obeyed God, though their lives are in danger. They trust God, and remain faithful to the end of their lives.

    1. Mike Scofield Reply

      Parick. Could you provide as your proof or link that the church Is afraid? or its just a product of your ignorant mind

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        Mike, first, I didn’t say the Church is afraid. I said the Church wants us to be afraid. I don’t need anything beyond the catechism to illustrate that the RCC wants us to fear god. Don’t you all call yourselves. “god-fearing Christians?”
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        The RCC created a religion that tells its adherents that they are born broken and that unless they believe, say and do the right things they will end up in eternal torment. If that’s not intended to create a fear of God, then I don’t know what is.
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        What I said, was that Noah was “problematic,” because we know there was no global flood. How do you make a saint of someone who almost certainly never existed? Perhaps there was a dude who picked up a couple of his goats and his family and got on a home-made boat to ride out a local flood – but we know that Yahweh did not destroy all of mankind down to 8 people. The genetics don’t support this. There’s too much variation in our genome for this to have happened.
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        The RCC must be concerned by the continuing discoveries and knowledge provided by the sciences. We know today beyond any reasonable doubt that there was no six day creation, no global flood, no mass Exodus from Egypt and no Conquest of Canaan. Mainstream archaeology, cosmology, evolution, physics, biology, and every other science tell us that there is no evidence for these things. Without them, there is no foundation for Yahweh.
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        Evolution in particular, is a real problem for the Church, particularly as DNA evidence continues to mount, indicating that there was never a 2-person bottleneck in our population to whom original sin and the fall from grace can be attributed. The current understanding based on DNA tells us we evolved from a group of about 100,000 early primates. While we talk about tracing our genes to a fictional male (Adam) and fictional female (Eve), those individuals had diversity in their genes that came from a large, diverse population of early primates. We know that if we came from 2 people, 6000 years ago, our species would not have survived. People joke all the time about Adam and Eve’s kids having incestual sex with each other, but if that had happened, the high number of bad mutations that come about when siblings mate, would almost certainly have killed them all off, and we wouldn’t be here to debate it. There’s too little genetic diversity. By way of example: The Cheetah almost died out some 12,000 years ago, getting to a very small number, such that all Cheetah’s today are basically twins, and they are probably going extinct because they have high rates of mutations which come when siblings mate with each other. (Google “Noah’s Ark and the Cheetah” and “Cheetah Genetics”). If the 8 people on Noah’s ark had been the last remaining people on earth on or about the year 2348 BCE, humans would almost surely have died out. (Well, they and all the animals on the ark would have starved to death since everything was dead! Duh). Visit the BioLogos website to learn more about the science that concerns the RCC because it pulls the rug out from under “original sin,” and without that, there’s no need to believe, say and do what celibate, virgin men in robes tell us to do in order to be saved from Yahweh’s tyrannical wrath.

  4. Mariadas Pudhota Reply

    Obviously Happy to Have few Unanswered Doubts or Questions.

  5. Tonytoks Reply

    What’s the relationship between Yahweh and Allah?and what race(colour)was the first set of humans on earth?thanks.

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Both gods share a complete lack of evidence for the existence of either. Both are based on debunked stories – (six day creation, global flood, mass Exodus from Egypt and conquest of Canaan – none of these thing happened as written in the “holy” books. The first humans emerged from Africa and probably had dark skin. Nobody was around 200,000 years ago to take note of skin color, and fossilized bones are all we have now. Why would you care?

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