In Poland, a consecrated host fell on the floor and picked up and placed in a container with water, according to the report by Bishop Zbigniew Kiernikowski of Legnica on Sunday. The falling of the host and it’s preservation occurred on the Christmas day of 2013, after the host was conserved in a container with water by the Parish Priest, it gradually began to turn to change color, possessing red-bloody stains.

“In February 2014, a tiny red fragment of the Host was separated and put on a corporal. The Commission ordered to take samples in order to conduct the thorough tests by the relevant research institutes,” said  Bishop Kiernikowski The bleeding host had for sometimes now been attributed to have “the hallmarks of a Eucharistic miracle”

The final medical statement by the Department of Forensic Medicine found that “in the histopathological image, the fragments (of the Host) were found containing the fragmented parts of the cross-striated muscle. It is most similar to the heart muscle. Tests also determined the tissue to be of human origin, and found that it bore signs of distress.”

Bishop Kiernikowski said he believe that the Bleeding host has “a Eucharistic miracle”, he told reporters that he took this case to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. And the Vatican in April approved the findings and reports of the case and recommended the parish priest, Fr.  Andrzej Ziombrze “to prepare a suitable place” for the Host so that the faithful could venerate it.

“I hope that this will serve to deepen the cult of the Eucharist and will have deep impact on the lives of people facing the Host,” Bishop Kiernikowski said.

200 Comments

  • Miss Crowther says:

    Don’t be an idiot! No one’s been murdered. This is what Jesus meant when he said “I am the bread of life “

  • Rose says:

    Jesus said Its is better to believe that have not seen then to see and not believe.
    I’m sure there were investigatioms that covered all.doubts

    • Dave says:

      Look up Lanciano Italy miracle. No amount of evidence would probably ever change your disbelief unless you saw for yourself.
      But as Christ told Thomas, ” blessed are those that believe that have not seen”.

      • Agnes says:

        Dave that is so true. I visited Lanciano in Italy a few years back and Seeing the changed Eucharist had a profound effect on me. All of the scientific evidence is there for all to read. There is no doubt that it is part of the heart of our savior Jesus Christ.

        • John Skull says:

          its incredible really. When you consider that the Eucharist miracle of Lanciano occurred in the 8th century and contains the same DNA to the Eucharist Miracle which occurred in Buenos Aires which occurred in the 90’s!!! Incredible also that all samples taken were shown to contain white bloods cells indicating that it had been taken from a living person.

        • Peggy says:

          I have yet to see it but in my heart , I have always believed. I have been blessed with miracles such as my son and I will ALWAYS believe in and love Jesus Christ and our Heavenly Father.

          • Esther lacerna says:

            Amen! I believe eventhough i did not see it. But i believe, Jesus Christ allows this to happen not for those who believe in Him but for those who do not believe yet, that’s how much our Almighty God loves us. He is trying to do possible ways in order for us to believe in Jesus Christ because it is only through believing and acknowledging Jesus Christ and by immitating His good examples on how to live our life as human being here on earth that will give us hope to be save and to be re-united with our Almighty Father God in heaven when our time has to come in giving back away the life that He gave us. It’s the same thing when God make the WORD to become human and this is in the person of Jesus Christ because people hardly understand and obey His word alone. So in order for people to easily understand His message, He sent His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to redeem and to save us by following the example of Jesus Christ on how to live our life here on earth as a holy person. It is not easy but we must always seek and pray for the power of the Holy Spirit to guide and strengthen us.
            Let us then pray for one another, most especially for those unbeliebers of Jesus Christ.

        • Manuel Arellano says:

          We Were There About 25 Years Ago, I, Cried, Knelt And Kissed The Holy Ground, And Have Not Been The Same Since!! When We Returned Home, I, Wanted To Shared It With Everyone , But In The Middle Of It, I, Would Start Crying, As I, Am Doing Now. The Lord, Touched My Heart, Deeply, And Showed Me A Much Better Way To Live!!!

    • Mitch says:

      Every experience I have had with crackers is that they dissolve within a few minutes of being put in water let alone months as the case here.

      • V.Vella says:

        Perhaps it would have rotted given the length of time it has been in contact with water? A question in general, may I ask why Satanists make such an effort to steal a consecrated Host?

    • Pamela Brock says:

      Jesus didn’t say that, dear; it’s a derivation of a quote from Pascal

  • Ray Azar says:

    Did they do a DNA ? Publish the results here !!

    • Marina Arango says:

      For those who believe, no proof is necessary, for the unbelievers, there is not sufficient proof in the whole world.

    • Mary says:

      Some people just can’t take that leap of faith. So sad. He died for you to have eternal life!

      • Ilkin Engin says:

        That’s cos they ain’t a part of the elect. Not by works lest anyone should boast. And not via miracles either. Jesus performed miracles, yet most did not believe. Why would this ”’miracle” be any different?

  • B. Korte says:

    You’re an unbeliever. You’re expected to say dopey dump crap like that, but I’m glad to say it’s true. Praise God. Thank you Lord for this miracle. May God sustain you , and help you with your sagging faith.

  • Elizabeth says:

    You have no clue what you are speaking of. My God Bless you and help you learn all Catholics believe this is the body and blood of Christ. All priest come from the first Apostles and perform this miracle during mass. Be careful of what you speak. Amen I say to you, I believe in the body and blood of Christ. Sacred heart of Jesus pray for us.

    • plantaseed12 says:

      Patrick,
      I’m neither gullible or non-educated—nor to do believe in superstitions. But I am truly devoted to the faith–and believe in the Eucharist we receive as the true body and blood of Christ, our Lord and God. This is not the first such Eucharistic miracle. I suggest, in your spare time….not knowing if your schedule allows…you could review the book EUCHARISTIC MIRACLES by Joan Carroll Cruz. It’s a wonderful representation of numerous such miracles throughout history. I also will pray for God to open your heart and mind to the faith traditions. Secular society is not my moral compass—true faith doesn’t ask the Church to ‘evolve’ with the times. Miracles do exist. Peace.

    • Jeff says:

      Elizabeth,

      The Sacred Heart of Jesus does not “pray for us”. For that (He) is the object of our adoration, worship, desire… that is the One to Whom WE pray.

      • Anne says:

        Are you kidding me? Jesus prays for us all the time. “Father forgive them for they know not what they do.” He has prayed for us since the beginning of time. He prayed for Judas constantly. It was agony that Judas did not respond.

      • Chris Doucet says:

        He prayed on earth John 17. Why not in heaven?

    • Gail says:

      Yes i do too believe..of course it’s the blood of christ…and this miracle happens in the Eucharist ever sunday….as promised from the heavenly fathers son JESUS…during the last supper

  • philip says:

    does it have both male and female chromosomes? why was the host kept for so long. millions of hosts probably fall each day and they are not preserved in water!

    • hi says:

      they are either consumed or left to disintegrate in the water. wouldn’t you keep something after, instead of disintegrating, began to produce blood?

    • Jenni F says:

      Patrick – Yes, the concept that Jesus would ask us to eat his flesh and drink his blood is quite challenging. The Jews had just as hard a time with it, but it is very clear that Jesus was speaking literally in Jn 6 or the Jews and many of his own disciples would not have reacted the way they did. Look at Jn 6:51-55, 60-61, 66-69
      “I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. […] Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. […] After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
      The Jews are offended and leave, many of his own disciples leave, but he does not explain it away. He asks them to see with eyes of faith, not eyes of flesh (“It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words I have spoken are spirit and life”). He even challenges the 12 apostles to see if they will leave over this teaching as well. They do not. They stay faithful. And they are rewarded with an explanation of how this all will work at the Last Supper. See Lk 22:19-20 (also Mt 26:26-28)
      ‘Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.’
      He shows us HOW we are to eat his body and blood – under the appearance of bread and wine. It is by this sacrament he created at the Last Supper and through the power of the Holy Spirit as he asked his apostles (and the bishops and priests appointed down through the ages from them) to do this in memory of Him. To consecrate bread and wine just as he did, and it will be changed into his very flesh and blood (This IS my body, this IS my blood).
      All the early Church Fathers believed the same and many wrote about it, even Martin Luther says as much about the Eucharist being the true body and blood of Jesus:
      St Ignatius of Antioch – a disciple and contemporary of St John the Apostle in 110 AD talks about it
      St Justin Martyr speaks of it in his apology (defense of the faith) to the emperor of Rome in AD150
      St Irenaeus, pupil of St Polycarp, who was taught by the Apostle John, wrote about it in AD195
      St Cyril of Jerusalem around AD350 wrote about it in a catechetical lecture.
      Here are two quotes from Martin Luther on it:
      “of all the fathers, as man as you can name, not one has ever spoken about the sacrament as these fanatics do. None of them uses such an expression as, ‘It is simply bread and wine,’ or “Christ’s body and blood are not present,’” – Luther’s Works, Vol 37,54
      “Who, but the devil, hath granted such license of wresting the words of holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures that my body is the same as the sign of my body?…It is only the devil, that imposeth upon us by these fanatical men…Not one of the Fathers, though so numerous, ever spoke [thus]…they are all of them unanimous.” – Martin Luther
      All the Eastern Catholic Churches (founded by the apostles) that broke away from the Roman Catholic Church hundreds of years before the Reformation (Orthodox, Coptic and Armenian) still believe in the Real Presence.
      In addition there are many Eucharistic miracles that have happened over the years that have been scientifically tested, the earliest being the miracle of Lanciano, Italy from the 8th century AD. You can see information on several of them here: http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html and there also is lots of information in the book Eucharistic Miracles by Joan Carroll Cruz. Take a look.
      When Jesus speaks figuratively and there is misunderstanding, he corrects it. See examples in Jn 4:31-34 in the story of the Samaritan woman and again Mt 16:5-12 speaking of the leaven of the Pharisees. This figurative or symbolic speech doesn’t mesh with the clear literalness of Jn 6 on eating his body and drinking his blood.
      Furthermore, symbolic references to “eating flesh” or “drinking blood” in the bible mean to attack or persecute. That doesn’t make sense with what Jesus is saying in Jn 6 either – “He who persecutes and assaults me has eternal life”. See examples of the “eating flesh” or “drinking blood” symbolic references here: Ps 27:2, Is 9:18-19, Micah 3:3, 2 Sam 23:15-17, and Rev 17:6, 16. You can see that this interpretation doesn’t make sense with the context or reactions in Jn 6 or at the Last Supper in Lk or Mt or with what St Paul writes in 1 Cor 11:27-29.
      No, Jesus clearly and literally meant what he said when he commanded us to “eat his flesh” and “drink his blood” and the way he gave us to do this is through the Eucharist. This miracle and all the others simply confirm what he said.

    • Jenni F says:

      Philip – the correct response when a host falls after consecration to a floor or other such area is to place it in water until it is fully dissolved and then return it to the earth through a special sink. A miracle takes place when the host defies normal physical principals and does not dissolve though it is in the water. And let us hope that ‘millions’ of hosts are NOT falling each day because of the special care they deserve as the true body and blood of Christ.

    • Rudy says:

      Maybe you need to be asking Jesu s to help you figure out what the body & Blood of Jesus means? People like you need to see to believe! If you dont when you die a surprise will be
      Waiting for you Have Faith!, Rudy Ck

    • Aurea Mendoza-Martin says:

      They also put the host that was dropped in water until it dissolves and the water disposed off as per the teaching of church.

  • Michelle says:

    What a horrible and sacrilegious thing to say Patrick!!

  • FON says:

    How disgustingly disrespectful of you Patrick.

    • That is so DISRESPECTFUL of you. Even the satanist believes that that is the Body and Blood of Christ. If you dont believe….WHY are you eve on this site?? Trolling???

      • Gene Tobola says:

        Patrick, the host WAS tested by the Department of Forensic Medicine as the article states. NO miracle is ever approved without strenuous scientific verification.

        • Ann Saunders says:

          Patrick once again all you have shown is that you have no faith. You think this is proof there is likely no God. You chosecaxside, and chose to indoctrinate yourself to that side. As for you judging God, you assume you know all that He does, saying any God who does this is evil. Well, you will be finding, at the end of your life, that God is the only good, not slightly like the Mafia, and that he’ll, or the waste dump in Jerusalem called Gehenna that was a pit that people and garbage and all manner of foul things were tossed into, cannot be gotten out of,is indeed an allegory, go give an understanding of what it will be like for those who choose to distance themselves from God instead of getting to know their creator. There is evidence in the very air we breathe that tells us this “evolution” of single celled life forms, who evolved into our fragile bodies somehow, came from somewhere other than earth, that evolution is intended for us go sdspt, but we cannot just jump into becoming anything new or original on our own. You say you are objective, but you really don’t sound like it. Try Guadalupe. Look into it, on the new reports from the scientific community. You may be ignorant enough even afterwards to say to some, “who painted it?” Like HRC, to the bishop who walked her through the site. I hope your heart becomes a little less hard in doing so. But that is up to you.

      • Kelsey Hinds says:

        Patrick I have wonderful news for you, God still loves you. I will start praying for you. Please know that I do not wish to fight because that would do us no good, but please know there is still time for you to repent and live in the peaceful bliss of our Lord. God Bless

        • Kelsey Hinds says:

          Patrick this is why God gave you free will. You are free to choose what you say, do and believe. Yet whatever you choose he still loves you. His mercy endures forever!

          • Kelsey Hinds says:

            Patrick you must have me confused with someone else, I never said anything about hell. You seem like you do a lot of research, I have something for you to research. St. Padre Pio! A wonderful Saint who bore the scars of Christ. I also wish you would research St. Padre Pio 3 days of darkness. If you still do not believe then Patrick, you will never hear a word from me again. Just know you will always be in my prayers.

          • Kelsey Hinds says:

            I still never said anything about hell. Because there is still a chance for purgatory. But what really got my attention is you said IF I make it to heaven, which means there is somewhere inside of you that believes there is a heaven. I hope you get the opportunity to look up St. Padre Pio. Especially The 3 Days of Darkness. If that doesn’t make you want to come back to the Catholic Faith, then Godspeed. If it does I’m willing to help you with whatever you need. No questions asked

          • Kelsey Hinds says:

            I never once insinuated you were going to hell or purgatory. You were the one that brought up hell in the first place. Only God can judge where you are going. Just because I said you should repent doesn’t mean your going to hell. Back to St. Padre Pio how do you explain his body being incorrupt. He died in 1968 and in 2008 before being canonized they found his body incorrupt. Along with hundreds of other saints. There are many scientists and forensic teams who are floored by this. You know why??? Because it’s a miracle. And just for the record I was very sincere in helping you get back into Catholicism. When it all comes down to it I don’t even know you. I was just trying to help you. I haven’t even hardly read anyone else’s comments because I’ve been so wrapped up in yours. So it is what it is I guess. Good Luck

          • Kelsey Hinds says:

            Lol I think you understand clearly my intentions were good. Your trying to make me look like a bully. I have proven once again that God is real because you could not back up as to why these saints bodies are incorrupt!! I think my work here is finished. Prayers are truly a powerful weapon!

          • Kelsey Hinds says:

            I do not need to have the last word to prove that this is a Eucharistic Miracle. You and I both know they have already done DNA testing and that is why the police are not investigating any further into this. I’m sorry is DNA testing not good enough for you? Even they know that it is a miracle. Think about it, if they Truly believed that someone had been “murdered” like you think, why are they not investigating further. Because there is nothing more to investigate! There is evidence for you. Cold hard evidence whether you like it or not, you have absolutely no evidence backing up your theory because it’s all made up! one more thing and im sure you know this already but just in case you don’t once you are baptized a Catholic your always a Catholic! You can be excommunicated and start to believe that none of this real, but you know the truth Patrick, your always going to be Catholic! I know you will make your back eventually. You can make whatever you want to up and start believing what you are making up in your head, but Once your baptized Catholic your always a Catholic whether you like it or not. And once we are all done living in this world where we are not yet home, you know just as well as I do that we will be judged. All you have to do is read the bible, the Roman Catholic bible that let me remind you Jesus himself wrote. The one and only true bible. And that my friend is all I need I need to say. Anything you have to say back is just gibberish to me (not to sound rude) because you have zero evidence.

      • margaret says:

        Patrick, you sound angry. You should do your research yourself and then come back and enlighten us all.

      • Cheryl Huber says:

        Hey Patrick, I figure I’ll toss in a few miracles for you. Have you ever seen the pictures of the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul. The Holy Father saw the Blessed Mother reach out and move the bullet.
        Miracles attributed to Mother Theresa of Calcutta had to be verified, and they happened in your lifetime. Cancer that just disappeared?
        My sister was pronounced dead, and a nun at the Catholic hospital poured holy water from Fatima on her, she woke. True story, but not verified by the Vatican. She was conceived on Easter and born on Christmas Day, coincidence?
        The greatest miracle of all, is the evolution of the universe which is still unfolding.
        Miracles happen every day. We could use many more and I pray you will see one in your lifetime; like Paul being knocked off of his horse and seeing the light.
        No doubt in my mind, God loves you, and is trying to bring you home. That’s why you’re on this site. Hang in there, a miracle is coming your way… if you look for the signs, they are always there, but to those with no faith, there are no signs. God will give you a sign if you look for it.

      • Ann Saunders says:

        Patrick,look into the tilma of Juan Diego, Guadalupe ,Mexico. I read an article that has scientists confirming that the “painting” was not done by human hands, and with no substances found on earth as the paint. I don’t have time to refund the article, but you say you are good at searching, so have at it. I admire the tenacity of your searching. I wonder if you do your searches with an open mind, if you have tried praying with the openess to God that you clearly don’t have. You want facts, look into Guadalupe to start. It is where Mary first appeared as an apparition. It is where she gave evidence on an old man’s tilma….the results from this last scientific study might surprise you, or they might tgeaten your faith that there really is no God. Sometimes you have to go further than the one article, and go to the Author to get the answers you want, if indeed you do want them. I tried finding a place to reply to your statements but none was provided. I’d be interested to see how you try to discredit Guadalupe. I don’t think you have the objective to get people to see they believe hoaxes, as you are only trying to sow doubt. For me, God has given me so many gifts of the tangible that I can’t reject them. But maybe you can “enlighten” me?! To me , I see you having doubt as a constant companion, and you at least flirt a lot with outright disbelief. Prove me wrong , please. 🙂

      • Maggie says:

        Patrick. You sir need to get a life and stop being a troll. Shame on you. I’ll pray for you.

      • Virgil Flores says:

        John 3:18 “Whoever believes in him will not be condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

    • Sylva Rodriguez says:

      You obviously are not a believer in Christ. Miracles do happen. I agree you are so disrespectful.

    • Stephen says:

      Patrick, there are hundreds of documented cases such as this one spanning through several centuries. In every case, they have the same blood type, are all found to be alive blood (not dead), are from heart tissue having undergone serious trauma (similar to a crucifixion) and are almost always independently verified. Some to look up would be the Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano as well as St. Januarius. These miracles are 100% confirmed by science and in the case of St. Januarius are still ongoing – they occur every year, continuing to defy science. God created the world, but the laws of nature have been broken many times (Miracle of Our Lady of Fatima, tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe, several of Marian apparitions, Eucharistic Miracles, incorrupt Catholic saints dead bodies, etc.). There are thousands of miracles of evidence – these are what converted me from atheism – not to mention seeing living proof of them as well.

      • Kelsey Hinds says:

        Stephen thank you so much for sharing your story! What a beautiful story in such troubled times. It’s so nice to hear a former atheists who has converted! I pray for atheists all the time, I pray they convert and find God just like you did. God still loves them very much, I just pray the come to realize that. It really moves me to hear stories like yours so I just wanted to say thanks!

    • Daily Marcellina says:

      Patrick Cannon, sounds you r an atheist. S sad

    • Maria says:

      For those who believe no explanation is needed while for those who don’t believe nothing is explainable.

    • Jerry Ariesga says:

      You believe it hoax because ypu simply closed your doors to possibilities. I pity you brother for not believing on this one. Already said that tne tissue is part of a human flesh particularly in the heart, this miracle first happend in lanciano italy when an ordained priest have a doubt in the eucharist to be the body of Christ, IF that was a diseased real flesh included in the cracker you said how possibly it bled? If you can see all, crackers you have said is in white color. Let us pun in an instance that it is really a diseased thingy that you have said why did it bleed? Think of it twice. Again i pity you for not believing on the eucharist. Christ him self instituted the Eucharist by the night before his passion.

      • Belinda Stephens says:

        To Kathy and Patrick……1) Kathy….you cannot argue with an idiot…they always find problems for every solution; he’s not going to hear you….ever…he is a “closed” door living in darkness. 2)Patrick…..for myself and myself only….not trying to “change” your mind; I would rather live my life believing there is a God…die to find out there’s not than to live my life NOT believing in God and then after death finding out there is…..just sayin. I wonder what could have happened to you through-out your life to make you so bitter towards God….a God you say doesn’t exist. Don’t you think that is a lot of wasted energy??? If you don’t believe in something why even question it or others that do believe???

    • Grace Zadlo says:

      God comes to those who have ears and eyes open

      • Y’all, Patrick is trolling. Pray for him, but do not waste precious time and energy arguing with him. He is impervious to reason.

      • Caroline says:

        Everyone please pray Patrick gets this evidence he so desperately needs. I sense his torture. Faith is a gift from God that can be given and taken away in an instant. Only God knows why He does anything. He is the Alfa and the Omega. Our human way of understanding is incapable of comprehending. “Blessed is he who believes and does not see”. God has not blessed you Patrick with faith for a reason and your ignorance in the power of God does not give you the right to try to take it from us that do not need proof of His miracles or His existence. You said you didn’t ask for help from those that tried to help you, well we BELIEVERS didn’t ask for your opinion of doubt. I reject your words from Satan and yes, I believe that if you reject God you will go straight to HELL, but then again in the end its up to God. I pray He has mercy on you.

      • se says:

        Hi Patrick,
        The irony of your stance is that one must already possess some idea of God in order to deny His existence. Otherwise, it seems you are simply bloviating. So, what is your idea of God? Scientific logic demands that one must begin with a premise (or First Cause, which even Einstein admitted to).

        • Liliana says:

          If you looking for another miracle that I have personally witnessed, go to Lebanon to a small village called Huntchara. The Eucharistic miracle has been happening for so many years.
          The Vatican would not call a miracle unless it is scientifically proven, therefore if a miracle is happening, Vatican ask priest not to make it publicly while studying the case. In the case of the above mentioned place in Lebanon, priest was moved to different locations, but the miracle continued happening wherever he was sent. People come and witness it from lots of places around the Middle East, even Muslims I have seen over there. Healings had happened and are happening.
          I believe that for anyone interested on such cases and being skeptic about them, they should look by their own eyes where do they happen. It is difficult to convince people of such events: personally, I will advice them to go and see for themselves.
          I believe that talking in a disrespectful way of something so holy it is bad. Because unless you have witnessed it you can feel the real presence in such places. But to talk about in a disrespectful way about something you have never witnessed it is certainly not good, specially when we talk about God, Jesus Christ, etc.

          • Liliana says:

            Dear Patrick, I am a doctor. No need to give here scientific explanations. But as a doctor I can tell you that the power of God goes far away more than any science.
            I have been a witness of a family miracle, a healing. And some other stories.
            I am a witness and a doctor and a true believer in the existence of God even in our time.
            Thank you.

          • Liliana says:

            Too much to discuss, Patrick.
            I just hope that one day your heart will open to God and find the answers you are looking for.

          • Liliana says:

            I have no time to continue discussing the same topic. Good luck in your search.

    • Andrew Eberlein says:

      Want some miracles? How about incorrupt bodies? Note: incorrupt does not mean completely free from deterioration, but remarkably free from deterioration.
      First, fast list of many since you claimed you wanted 100 miracles. This isn’t 100, but hopefully it is enough:
      St Etheldreda was born and died in the 600s, body was claimed incorrupt in 1106. Her body is still here today, though I guess we haven’t checked on it in a while.
      Bl. Margaret of Castello died in 1320. In 1558 her remains were transferred because, though her coffin and clothes were rotten, her body was incorrupt. Again, we haven’t check on it in a while.
      St. Catherine of Bologna died in 1463 and you can see her incorrupt body today on display.
      Saint Rita died in 1457 and her incorrupt body is on display.
      St. John Vianney died in 1859 and his body (wearing a wax mask, again, not completely free of deterioration) is on display in Ars France.
      Now my favorite! St. Bernadette Soubirous died in 1879. She was exhumed in 1909 and while her crucifix and rosary had oxidized, her body was incorrupt. She was exhumed again in 1919 and 1925 to take relics and make a wax mask. In 1928 Doctor Comte published a report on yet another exhumation. It is rather long and I’m already fearing plagiarism with this post, so I’ll present some highlights here.
      “I would have liked to open the left side of the thorax to take the ribs as relics and then remove the heart which I am certain must have survived.”
      “What struck me during this examination, of course, was the state of perfect preservation of the skeleton, the fibrous tissues of the muscles (still supple and firm), of the ligaments, and of the skin, and above all the totally unexpected state of the liver after 46 years. One would have thought that this organ, which is basically soft and inclined to crumble, would have decomposed very rapidly or would have hardened to a chalky consistency. Yet, when it was cut it was soft and almost normal in consistency.”
      Now of course you might claim that this is all a big hoax, and I have no proof it is not. You have no proof that it is. The scientific evidence is here for you to accept. Science isn’t about creating models then forcing the universe to conform to those models, it is about creating models that conform to the universe. So if these bodies truly are corrupt, not only can we have great faith that God wanted to keep them corrupt for some reason, but science should accept these facts as well.
      I do appreciate your concern for the well being of others, but I would also appreciate if you could be more respectful to your fellow humans.

      • Kelsey Hinds says:

        Man I could not have put that into better words myself. I tried to bring up the point of St. Padre Pio’s body being incorrupt and how he suffered the stigmata but nothing seemed to change the minds of the people who don’t believe. I was told that God and Satan are fairy tales. I will stand up for my Catholic faith any day of the week, and I remain humble and truthful just as you did. Even tho on the inside I feel very different. So thank you for the wonderful post! And may God have mercy on the people who don’t believe. They will remain in my prayers.

      • Infact I read this article some while back and it mentioned the Pathologist, the institution and the state. Atheists are simply burdensome, the little knowledge they have takes up all their brain function, they simply have to beat other ppl with it. This morose wise arse is a typical eg. Stop wasting your breath

    • Fred says:

      Hey I am a protestant Christian and I’m going to agree with Patrick on this. I won’t say miracles don’t happen, even though I’ve never seen one that could be comparable to those in the Bible but I think Catholics should stop looking for bloody eucharists and weeping statues and think about what Christ himself said. “A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign”

    • Jihan Perez Zeltner says:

      @ Patrick Ganon
      This is sad. When I was reading your comments it made me think must be Satan is rejoicing for you. Do not be deceived by your own wisdom, it’s folly. Like King Pharaoh who’s heart was hard.These people here are instruments to give you light. God will not come after you, but it is clear that if you deny God, he will deny you also when the accountable time comes.
      I would not say anything here except this quote from the Bible.
      “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, …”
      ‎Matthew 7:6

    • Anton says:

      Hello sir Patrick, if you doubt the happenings of miracles you can do a quick research about Kisha e Lacit, a church in my country. During communism 32 atheists communists were sent by the secret service to take down the church. Just when they started destroying it, all of them were paralysed in an instant. 32 men, same time, same symptoms. They were sent to Austria for recuperation, after their recovery they all converted to catholics. The communists blamed the milk. But I dont think milk paralyses 32 healthy men in an instant same time. Sir, you may not believe, but please do not come to such pages and denying our God. Many other miracles happened there aswell. Milions of people worldwide come to visit it. From all religions. I highly doubt it is a hoax. Thank for your time sir.

    • MaryAgnes Doumin says:

      Patrick, Not only totally disgusting and disrespectful! No faith no eternal life! Enjoy your life on Earth in this corrupt world of Satan!

    • Sandra says:

      Patrick, I am so sorry that you have been so hurt by someone in the Church. I have prayed to ur Blessed Mother to intercede for you and The Father toput someone in your life to show you the beauty of Christ’s Church. God bless you.

    • Natalie Cox says:

      Before commenting, you should research how the investigations are done. Typically the investigators are independent medical teams from many areas of expertise, and are NOT affiliated with the church. The investigation does include pathological and microbiological reports (see the investigation from Salt Lake City recently that suspected a miracle but was found to be a yeast fungi and was reported by the church as such). That is why it take so long–YEARS. If it noticed the miracle occurred On Christmas Day 2013 and was not approved by the Vatican until after an exhaustive investigation is completed, approved in 2016. Those are the facts.

    • Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says:

      TRY and visit any of the BRANCHES of THE DIVINE Retreat Centre in different parts of the World and see whether you remain the same. A healthy curiosity is a MUST.
      SOME ADDRESSES of the Branches of THE DIVINE Retreat Centre :
      (****** FOR Telephone Nos. and the E-mail addresses Please go to GOOGLE and search.)
      DivinePrayer Centre, 426, Route 57 West, Washington, NJ 07882, USA. 30 Alvin SlovanAve., Washington Township, NJ 07882-4173, USA.
      DivineRetreat Centre, St. Augustine Abbey, St. Augustine’s Road, Ramsgate, CT119PA,Kent, UK.
      DivineRetreat Centre, P.O. Box 6327, West Gosford 2250, NSW, Australia.
      VincentianHouse, Divine Mercy Prayer House, 2905 S Frontage Road, Plant City, FL 33566,USA.
      DivineRetreat Centre, Vincentian Prayer Centre, 69 William Street, Toronto, ON, M9N2G6, Canada.
      ExerzitienzentrumDer Gottlichen Barmherzigkeit, St. Clemens Kirche, Stresemann Str. 66 a, 10963,Berlin, Germany.
      Director, Prayer Centre, Vincentian Fathers, Centenary Vincentian House, P.O. Box No. 200, Entebbe, Uganda, East Africa.
      Director, Vincentian Prayer House, Buoye, Kisumu, Kenya, East Africa
      Director, Vincentian Fathers, Divine Mercy Renewal Centre, Kabulassoke, P.B.No. 613, Masaka, Uganda, East Africa.
      ( NOTE :St. Luke : 7, 29 and the following: “All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John. BUT THE PHARISEES AND THE EXPERTS in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.” – MANY CHRISTIAN GROUPS AND CHURCHES move in this above-said spirit, and so the WORLD remains UNEVANGELISED.)
      Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box 25158, 00603, Lavington, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa.
      Vincentian Prayer House, Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box 25158, 00603, Lavington, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa.
      Director, Vincentian Retreat Centre, Nzangi, P.B. No. 23, Kyengera, Kampala, Uganda, East Africa
      Vincentian Retreat Centre (VRC) Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box No.2009-01000, Thika, Nairobi Thika Highway, Kenya, East Africa.

    • Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP says:

      Try at least a healthy CURIOSITY VISIT to any of these Retreat Centres, Please. You may SEE JESUS THE LORD ALIVE :
      SOME ADDRESSES of the Branches of THE DIVINE Retreat Centre :
      (FOR Telephone Nos. and the E-mail addresses Please go to GOOGLE and search.)
      DivinePrayer Centre, 426, Route 57 West, Washington, NJ 07882, USA. 30 Alvin SlovanAve., Washington Township, NJ 07882-4173, USA.
      DivineRetreat Centre, St. Augustine Abbey, St. Augustine’s Road, Ramsgate, CT119PA,Kent, UK.
      DivineRetreat Centre, P.O. Box 6327, West Gosford 2250, NSW, Australia.
      VincentianHouse, Divine Mercy Prayer House, 2905 S Frontage Road, Plant City, FL 33566,USA.
      DivineRetreat Centre, Vincentian Prayer Centre, 69 William Street, Toronto, ON, M9N2G6, Canada.
      ExerzitienzentrumDer Gottlichen Barmherzigkeit, St. Clemens Kirche, Stresemann Str. 66 a, 10963,Berlin, Germany.
      Director, Prayer Centre, Vincentian Fathers, Centenary Vincentian House, P.O. Box No. 200, Entebbe, Uganda, East Africa.
      Director, Vincentian Prayer House, Buoye, Kisumu, Kenya, East Africa
      Director, Vincentian Fathers, Divine Mercy Renewal Centre, Kabulassoke, P.B.No. 613, Masaka, Uganda, East Africa.
      ( NOTE :St. Luke : 7, 29 and the following: “All the people, even the tax collectors, when they heard Jesus’ words, acknowledged that God’s way was right, because they had been baptized by John. BUT THE PHARISEES AND THE EXPERTS in the law rejected God’s purpose for themselves, because they had not been baptized by John.” – MANY CHRISTIAN GROUPS AND CHURCHES move in this above-said spirit, and so the WORLD remains UNEVANGELISED.)
      Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box 25158, 00603, Lavington, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa.
      Vincentian Prayer House, Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box 25158, 00603, Lavington, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa.
      Director, Vincentian Retreat Centre, Nzangi, P.B. No. 23, Kyengera, Kampala, Uganda, East Africa
      Vincentian Retreat Centre (VRC) Vincentian Fathers, P.O. Box No.2009-01000, Thika, Nairobi Thika Highway, Kenya, East Africa.

    • Your multiple questions just leave you ignorant of how an investigation should go about. Should I tell you the concepts and procedures like a two years old?

    • Mr Gannon, it is fine that you do not believe that is your misfortune but please a little respect. You be glad that you did when you get to meet him….Why would a man suffer as he did to spread the word of love. to show people how to live for their sake. to give them somewhere to go in their hearts when they are lost. Do not mock because you have not experienced God. Just open your heart he loves you!!

    • Marcella says:

      God forgive you and reveal himself to you…

  • Michelle says:

    Horrible and almost sacrilegious remarks by you Patrick … Study the faith and be enlightened.

  • kristin says:

    I pity the doubting Thomas’ …. Thankfully, faith doesn’t need proof. These miracles are for those who doubt. What a joyous gift to the people of Poland….and the Church believers!

    • Mary says:

      Patrick have gone through a lot of ur comments. Science say: seeing is believing. How i pray the same conversion of St Paul will happen to you.you are a beautiful soul, you are Christ like and I Jesus still loves you the way you are. Don’t let the devil Deceive you. Have ever thought how you ever thought about the awesomeness of God ? whether you believe in the Eucharist or not , it doesn’t change the Eucharist from been the body of Christ. Until you taste an apple you can never tell how it truely taste. So come taste a little of Christ and you would love to have even more. I love my Catholic Faith, in her I found Christ and He is all I got, I don’t mind sharing Jesus with you. Come taste and see i bet you, you will never regret loving Jesus.Eucharist is real, live after death is real,heaven is real, hell fire is real, Christ is real. Patrick God loves you so very much. Note: other youth who find it difficult to believe in Jesus or the church(catholic) ask the Holy Spirit to help you and you would b amazed at His(The Holy Spirit) work.

  • Jonathan says:

    “Take this all of you and eat of it. For this is my body, which will be given up for you.”
    Thank you Jesus..

  • I would bet the blood type would turn out to be AB…Christ’s blood type….this is NOT the first Eucharistic miracle….many miracles like this have shared the same evidence…God Bless all Believers!!….It is NOT our job to convince Mr. Gannon…he is searching, albeit with a wounded heart and soul, May God Bless him on his journey!

  • Greg says:

    Praise be to God !!!!!
    “This is my body which will be broken for you “

  • Maria says:

    OMG! What d heck is wrong with u?! It clearly shows that you’re not Catholic! So, please shut your mouth!

    • Roger says:

      I am not Catholic, but I do believe Christ is with us, we just have to seek him , my question is why is meant in the article by the quote I hope that this will serve to deepen the cult of the Eucharist.

      • Jerry Ariesga says:

        It is simply a metaphor brother by the bishop, “thr cult” he referred to means the Follower of the Eucharist the Follower of Christ

    • will says:

      regardless of what we believe, its wrong to silence others who disagree. That’s just plain wrong. Let him speak.

      • Cookie says:

        Patrick, I never though that a person that said He is born Again does not have faith, please read John 6-51-55, may the Holy Spirit guide you through the truth, please do not insult The Body of Christ, faith is given to us as a gift. You can believe it or refuse His present. I invite you to go to any Catholic Church and be silent in His present. Special at the Holy Mass. Lord Jesus Son Of God have mercy on the believer a sinner.

  • Ruel de Mesa says:

    A Devil’s advocate is in the house. Please ignore him! True Catholics never argue about religion and faith! If you respond, you will get into a loop with someone of different faith.

    • Anne-Marie says:

      St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine might disagree that “True Catholics never argue about religion and faith.” It might be more appropriate to say true Catholics don’t insult others or censor people when challenged.

    • Martin says:

      Many (most?) Christians’ faith is hanging on by a thin thread, Patrick. It’s not easy to believe that God is also a man and turns wheat wafers into his physical substance. Yet there is a logic to it and it’s not just random nonsense; however, difficult to believe. In fact impossible to believe without supernatural help. But that’s begging the question, right? So any discussion about miracles needs to start with the supernatural (simply defined as the source and sustenance of natural existence). Affirming or denying the latter is going to have a considerable bearing on the former.
      I’m sorry that you receive some hostile responses here. You raise some valid questions and it would be in the bishop’s best interest to thoroughly test something like this before approving it for display as a miracle. Especially because it is entirely optional for a Catholic to believe or disbelieve in this. You say the story has gone “dead” but (having worked in journalism for a number of years) I think it’s a new story and we can give it a bit more time to develop. Also I don’t speak Polish (do you?) And I’m guessing most of the coverage here is in Polish. We can wonder why a major English news site hasn’t covered it – The Guardian, for example – but that’s a question for their editors. Who in the Vatican should promote this? The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith? The Pope? Anything from the Holy See to make this some kind of “official revelation” for the universal church would be improper, because it is not a part of the doctrine of the faith, but a local event. It is up to the diocese to publicize this.
      I’ll be travelling to the parish in Legnica in August to see this, by the way.
      Martin

  • Moe says:

    [41] The Jews therefore murmured at him, because he had said: I am the living bread which came down from heaven. [42] And they said: Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How then saith he, I came down from heaven? [43] Jesus therefore answered, and said to them: Murmur not among yourselves. [44] No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day. [45] It is written in the prophets: And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard of the Father, and hath learned, cometh to me.

  • Jenni F says:

    Patrick – Yes, the concept that Jesus would ask us to eat his flesh and drink his blood is quite challenging. The Jews had just as hard a time with it, but it is very clear that Jesus was speaking literally in Jn 6 or the Jews and many of his own disciples would not have reacted the way they did. Look at Jn 6:51-55, 60-61, 66-69
    “I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.” The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. […] Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. […] After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him. Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also wish to go away?” Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life; and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”
    The Jews are offended and leave, many of his own disciples leave, but he does not explain it away. He asks them to see with eyes of faith, not eyes of flesh (“It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words I have spoken are spirit and life”). He even challenges the 12 apostles to see if they will leave over this teaching as well. They do not. They stay faithful. And they are rewarded with an explanation of how this all will work at the Last Supper. See Lk 22:19-20 (also Mt 26:26-28)
    ‘Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.’
    He shows us HOW we are to eat his body and blood – under the appearance of bread and wine. It is by this sacrament he created at the Last Supper and through the power of the Holy Spirit as he asked his apostles (and the bishops and priests appointed down through the ages from them) to do this in memory of Him. To consecrate bread and wine just as he did, and it will be changed into his very flesh and blood (This IS my body, this IS my blood).
    All the early Church Fathers believed the same and many wrote about it, even Martin Luther says as much about the Eucharist being the true body and blood of Jesus:
    St Ignatius of Antioch – a disciple and contemporary of St John the Apostle in 110 AD talks about it
    St Justin Martyr speaks of it in his apology (defense of the faith) to the emperor of Rome in AD150
    St Irenaeus, pupil of St Polycarp, who was taught by the Apostle John, wrote about it in AD195
    St Cyril of Jerusalem around AD350 wrote about it in a catechetical lecture.
    Here are two quotes from Martin Luther on it:
    “of all the fathers, as man as you can name, not one has ever spoken about the sacrament as these fanatics do. None of them uses such an expression as, ‘It is simply bread and wine,’ or “Christ’s body and blood are not present,’” – Luther’s Works, Vol 37,54
    “Who, but the devil, hath granted such license of wresting the words of holy Scripture? Who ever read in the Scriptures that my body is the same as the sign of my body?…It is only the devil, that imposeth upon us by these fanatical men…Not one of the Fathers, though so numerous, ever spoke [thus]…they are all of them unanimous.” – Martin Luther
    All the Eastern Catholic Churches (founded by the apostles) that broke away from the Roman Catholic Church hundreds of years before the Reformation (Orthodox, Coptic and Armenian) still believe in the Real Presence.
    In addition there are many Eucharistic miracles that have happened over the years that have been scientifically tested, the earliest being the miracle of Lanciano, Italy from the 8th century AD. You can see information on several of them here: http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html and there also is lots of information in the book Eucharistic Miracles by Joan Carroll Cruz. Take a look.
    When Jesus speaks figuratively and there is misunderstanding, he corrects it. See examples in Jn 4:31-34 in the story of the Samaritan woman and again Mt 16:5-12 speaking of the leaven of the Pharisees. This figurative or symbolic speech doesn’t mesh with the clear literalness of Jn 6 on eating his body and drinking his blood.
    Furthermore, symbolic references to “eating flesh” or “drinking blood” in the bible mean to attack or persecute. That doesn’t make sense with what Jesus is saying in Jn 6 either – “He who persecutes and assaults me has eternal life”. See examples of the “eating flesh” or “drinking blood” symbolic references here: Ps 27:2, Is 9:18-19, Micah 3:3, 2 Sam 23:15-17, and Rev 17:6, 16. You can see that this interpretation doesn’t make sense with the context or reactions in Jn 6 or at the Last Supper in Lk or Mt or with what St Paul writes in 1 Cor 11:27-29.
    No, Jesus clearly and literally meant what he said when he commanded us to “eat his flesh” and “drink his blood” and the way he gave us to do this is through the Eucharist. This miracle and all the others simply confirm what he said.

  • Jimmy Lopez says:

    “For those who believe, no proof is necessary. For those who don’t believe, no proof is possible.” Stuart Chase

  • Patrick, It seems that you follow the idea of Hitchens, Dawkins, and the ‘new Atheists’ who believe in something called ‘Scientism’, a belief that ascertains that unless something can be empirically proven to be true, then it isn’t. The problem with such a statement is that the statement itself can’t be empirically proven, either.

    • Matt Dillahunty says:

      Hello Patrick,
      You seem to be confusing the terms atheism and agnosticism. Atheism and theism address belief and agnosticism addresses knowledge. Since you do not believe in a God then you are automatically clumped into the atheist category. Atheism is NOT the assertion that ‘no Gods exist’ but rather the lack of belief in one. A theist (a person who believes in God) can also be an agnostic. They can not know if a God exists but choose to believe in one anyway. You are identifying as an agnostic-atheist which means you do not know if a God exists, but you do not believe in one.

  • The host has turned into flesh and blood at the time of consecration during mass celebration in Mumbai a few yrs back. The blood spilled around and the place is maintained very well. May be this will help the unbelief of the part time believers.

  • Clark Pendel says:

    Jesus was a Jew, that’s correct. But he went against the grain (otherwise the pharisees would have used something other than blasphemy to condemn him). He was a good Jew, but he is more than a Jew. He is God (Son in the Holy Trinity) and the authority of what he says goes because he is indeed God. The body and blood of Christ truly are what is said “the body and blood of Christ” It is something beyond our understanding, but that’s because we don’t need to understand. Unless you’re a scientist, you wouldn’t know or understand much of anything if anything about atoms or nuclear fission or DNA, but you take scientists’ word for it when they tell you about it, because “they know what they’re talking about.” Well, maybe priests and the religious know what they’re talking about. Just as scientists know little about the universe we know little about God. You believe that the universe is vast and contains unknown possibilities because the scientists tell you that that’s how it is (Don’t even say for a second that you came up with that yourself) and they show you pictures and math equations. We as Christians believe that God is indeed real because we are the evidence of himself. Love, justice, mercy. Where’s the math in people caring for people they’ll never meet. Why do people donate organs or bone marrow to strangers? Why do people give money to a homeless man on the street or forgive and forget wrongs of others? You can say “Oh they do that to feel good about themselves” which may be true, but why do people feel good about that? Why do even agnostics or atheists fall in love with people in there life? Or celebrate birthdays and anniversaries and mourn those who have died? There is no math, no numbers. You can believe what you want, but you can’t escape the truth of something more than what you take in from “facts.” Remember that everything you said here is something that you have FAITH in.

  • Bella Estrella says:

    Such miracles are proof that the Hosts we receive in Holy Communion are the true Body and Blood of Christ. The Holy Spirit comes down upon them during Consecration and transforms the hosts in a process that we call ‘transubstantiation’. I truly believe in it. Even though the Host I receive does not physically change, a number of instances, I felt it warm as it melted on my tongue. In those experiences, Jesus made me feel that He truly is the One I receive. I never doubted, but perhaps He just wanted me to feel Him more. I love those experiences because I prayed more fervently as I knelt, and the warmth of His Love sent tears flowing from my eyes.
    Julia Kim of Korea experienced the Host turned into real flesh with blood right on her tongue, and these occasions were photographed.

  • Kari says:

    Jesus is not taunting people! He’s testing our faith in Him.
    If Jesus appeared as he really is in heaven, His splendor would be blinding… and EVERYONE would know that He is God. Emphasis on KNOW. Until He chooses to reveal Himself to us, He asks us to have faith in Him.
    Someday, all of us will know… before then I hope your doubts change to Faith.

  • lm says:

    just fyi Patrick, i am an educated Catholic and guess what? i believe that this is a miracle. God gives us miracles every single day, throughout the day, but we are so blinded by our own pride, our selfishness that we don’t see it.
    that is the reason the world is in the state it is nowadays, because instead of using the freedom God gave us in the way He would like us to & follow the example of Jesus, we do the opposite, we question His unconditional love.
    so, yes He does things like this, a bleeding host, a part of Him that He shares with us and we are darn lucky and blessed to have, a breeding host to remind us to see Him, that He is real & that He hasn’t given up in us. even when we have.
    God is all good, powerful & all love. I hope one day you & people like you & even those of us who say we are faithful but, only to our advantage can one day reach the ultimate goal God has for us…sainthood

    • Joseph says:

      Patrick, you are definitely a very smart person…that seems to be very evident from all your expert replies. You only have two problems: 1. You don’t have childlike faith….2. You trying to be too smart…smarter than the Creator of mankind….just like that individual who tempted Eve with an apple.
      God bless you and May you find your way back to his arms?

  • Celeste says:

    “…Jesus suggesting that we should eat his body and drink his blood. That would have been about the most despicable thing a Jew, like Jesus, could even suggest – unless it was made perfectly clear that it was in some way allegorical.”
    That is correct. And many followers left because of this.  
    Many that stayed were willing to undergo torture and death. Even today, 2000 years later.

  • Mitch says:

    Well apparently most other Jews thought the same thing (John 6:50-6:69). The whole point of this bringing back together body and blood. In the Jewish tradition separation of the blood from the body symbolized death. Here Jesus bringing them back together symbolizes life.
    What proof do you have that Jesus didn’t say that? Or is it your faith in what another agnostic told you that you base your belief that Jesus did not say that? Hand written accounts about 17 years after the fact is pretty reliable information from that era.

  • annie says:

    if you don’t believe then don’t bbelieve! you’re so idiot! if you never understand the meaning of the HOLY EUCHARIST THEN YOU BETTER SHUT UP YOUR MOUTH!!!!

    • Jude Russell says:

      Annie, I am a fervent, practicing Catholic and I am over-joyed with this new Eucharistic Miracle in Poland. But I am frustrated that your critique of Patrick is nothing more than anger expressed through sentences which completely lack any grammatical format. Further, you completely ignore Christ’s command of Charity in your reply to Patrick. This is not the way in which there is going to be hope in changing the hearts of people for Christ; contrarily, this is why many people are turned away. Lack of proper and charitable communication truly hinders evangelization. Please considering being more Christ-like in your replies. God bless you.

    • Annette says:

      Satan get behind me.

    • Aloysius says:

      My Dear it is wrong and a sin to start insulting. What is their is just simple, pray that He(they) may believe and. Also encounter the Holy Eucharist. Always pray for others, mainly people that do no understand that God will open their hearts and eye to understand His glory and mystery

  • Mischelle says:

    Praying for you Patrick, that you may be enlightened by the truth of this Miracle that happens everyday at the sacrifice of Mass on the alter, which celebrates the crucifixion of our Savior, Lord and Master and His passion of Love to see us reunited with Him in heaven. His body and blood heals, nourishes and strengthens our souls which are so ravished in sin, for the soul remembers it’s creator, and His body and blood sustains us in this world of darkness and hatred. This life is only temporary and we only have two choices at our death, heaven or hell.The opportunity to receive our Lord in the Eucharist is the greatest gift we’ll ever receive, greater than anything of this materialistic world! Father, Son and Holy Spirit know no boundaries, they can show up however they choose to manifest themselves. He did show up in person and look what happened when He did, but He knew what was going to happen and followed the will of the Father for the redemption of the human race. Someday may you thank Him, Patrick! Pride, which is why Lucifer was cast out of heaven, cometh before a fall… Just remember Jesus is always present and see’s your struggle and unbelief, it’s ok, He can handle it and He loves you unconditionally, even to the point of death for our sins.

  • Mavis Kemnitz says:

    John 6:53-69.

    • Sheila M Seeber says:

      Partick, I see there are many things about the Catholic Church that you misunderstand. I’m sorry for your poor education when you were a child, but i suggest that you attend an RCIA (Right of Christian Initiation for Adults class, and present your arguments there. The priest and other leaders there should be able to address each of your many misunderstandings. Until then, please know that the Catholic Church as you know it isn’t the Catholic Church that true, educated believers know.

  • Catherine says:

    Brother Patrick,
    I pray God will touch you & reveal Himself to you as He did to Paul the apostle and may you serve Him all the days of your life when the scales are removed from you eyes.
    God bless & take good care of you brother.

  • Jim Englert says:

    Woe to this generation that seeks a sign.

  • AR says:

    Patrick, food for thought:
    The Catholic doctrine of the Real Presence is the belief that Jesus Christ is literally, not symbolically, present in the Holy Eucharist—body, blood, soul and divinity. Catholics believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist because Jesus tells us this is true in the Bible:“I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh. The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him” (John 6:48-56).Furthermore, the early Church Fathers either imply or directly state that the bread and wine offered in the celebration of the Lord’s Supper is really the body and blood of Jesus Christ. In other words, the doctrine of the Real Presence that Catholics believe today was believed by the earliest Christians 2,000 years ago!
    This miracle of God’s physical presence to us at every Mass is the truest testament to Christ’s love for us and His desire for each of us to have a personal relationship with Him.
    More Scripture about the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist:
    • (John 6:53-56 RSV) So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; {54} he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. {55} For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. {56} He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
    • In the Aramaic language that Our Lord spoke, to symbolically “eat the flesh” or “drink the blood” of someone meant to persecute or assault them. See the following… (Psa 27:2 KJV) When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell.
    • (Isa 9:18-20 RSV) For wickedness burns like a fire, it consumes briers and thorns; it kindles the thickets of the forest, and they roll upward in a column of smoke. {19} Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts the land is burned, and the people are like fuel for the fire; no man spares his brother. {20} They snatch on the right, but are still hungry, and they devour on the left, but are not satisfied; each devours his neighbor’s flesh,
    • (Isa 49:26 RSV) I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh, and they shall be drunk with their own blood as with wine. Then all flesh shall know that I am the LORD your Savior, and your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob.”
    • (Micah 3:3 RSV) who eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them, and break their bones in pieces, and chop them up like meat in a kettle, like flesh in a caldron.
    • (2 Sam 23:17 RSV) “Far be it from me, O LORD, that I should do this. Shall I drink the blood of the men who went at the risk of their lives?” Therefore he would not drink it. These things did the three mighty men.
    • (Rev 17:6 RSV) And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her I marveled greatly.
    • (Rev 17:16 NIV) The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
    Thus, if Jesus were only speaking symbolically about eating His flesh and drinking His blood, as the Protestants say, then what He really meant was “whoever persecutes and assaults me will have eternal life” — which, of course, makes nonsense of the passage!
    Bread and wine are not normal or natural symbols of flesh and blood. To call a man a “fox” is an understandable symbol for cleverness. To call a man “bread” is not an understandable symbol, without some explanation. Either the symbols would have been clearly explained (which is not the case) or Jesus spoke literally (which is the case!).

  • Charlie Petersen says:

    For anyone that has read the comments or wrote them on this article. I wanted to share that Faith cannot be defined by what is seen or touched not even by what you believe or know. Being Catholic or Agnostic we should all agree that the judgement of others is wrong. For those that believe this is a miracle may your faith grow from it. For those that believe it to be a bizarre treachery may you find comfort in what you know. If there is something to be gained from this occurrence maybe it is the reminder that we are all different and no less accepted by our creator then another. Should we all find ourselves in Heaven you can be certain no matter what you believe or know that we will all have one thing in common. “We were able to forgive, and we were forgiven.”

  • To satisfy your unbelief, why don’t you be the one to conduct investigation? or ask those investigator to invite you as observer

  • lenbeckman says:

    Patrick patrick. You poor child. Ever hear of the miracle of Lanciano, which is 1200 years old? It, too, has been verified to be cardiac muscle. Or the Shroud of Turin. Even better, the Tilma of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Jesus is not taunting; He’s promised to reveal Himself to everyone. Even you.

  • Sue says:

    I think we should all pray for Patrick.

  • Randy Levine says:

    Humanity’s need to believe in something, anything, is so strong that some people are willing to forsake their own awareness of what is real. The end result is that they reach a point where they cannot differentiate the truth from the false.
    Be calm brothers and sisters and know this: That YOU are the god you seek. To all of life’s questions, ‘YOU’ are the answer.

  • David Anthonysamy says:

    Lets take Gannon’s caution slightly more seriously and at the same time pray he experiences the power of God intimately in his life.

  • zepol says:

    Prayers for you brother Patrick, those who deny will certainly find truth when they die. Keep searching for whatever “proof” you need, you may find it. May God touch your heart and reveal His Love for you.

  • L ee T says:

    Patrick you have studied much, and are still unbelieving. I pray you keep your search going, for it seems that unbelievers bring about more believers through the information they find! May God bless you and your search for truth.

  • Michelle Kennedy says:

    I would like to know why the police weren’t called. How is it that there hasn’t been a criminal investigation?

  • McKenzie says:

    Patrick, I am saddened by the responses you’ve been getting from Catholics here. I haven’t read through all the replies, but it seems that respectful arguments are few and far between. I can only assume it was a lack of willingness to engage in rational thought about theology that caused you to leave the Church to begin with. Reason and faith are both necessary for Christians and are two different but complementary means in which humans seek truth. Faith simply means taking the word of another for something that you can’t empirically verify yourself (e.g. trusting your friend when they tell you a story about what happened last week). You have to have a certain relationship with/confidence in that person in order to take what they say on faith. Capital F “Faith” is taking God at His word. I can’t give you the experience you would need to trust God and form a relationship with Him like that, but can only pray that He would give you evidence of His trustworthiness Himself. On the other hand, reason is absolutely essential, and matters of faith go beyond reason but never contradict it. Thus, I think you are certainly right to ask whether such investigations have taken place. Only after such alternate explanations have been (to a reasonable extent) exhausted can the Church declare that a miracle has indeed occurred.

  • John Smith says:

    Precisely.

    • If mankind has a faculty for belief perhaps it was the creator who gave us that faculty? and if what is real expands and makes the human person more complete then faith is a real good thing.

  • Tricia says:

    Patrick- what about the evidence that the blood is not from postmortem? They can tell by the protein percentage. No DNA test necessary…God is not dead.

  • Bill Patulski says:

    I’m quite impressed by your obviously abundant education on this subject. I’m so glad that agnosticism is being properly represented on this page. You have a great mind and even greater resolve, my friend. Thanks for being a rational thinker and a respectable person.

  • mikeobiora says:

    God I thank you for making me a christian & a catholic. and for this eucharistic miracles. I pray for mercy & divine blessings upon my live, families,friends& wishers, i also pray for my engineering workshop & networking business for your divine touch. Father through your son jesus christ, extend your indulgence & eucharistic clensing to my life, may you protect your church & your own from temptation Always Amen..!!”

  • Stefani Keller says:

    I’d like to know about any ongoing searches as well. One of the most fear inducing comments I have ever heard in response to anyone asking “Why?” is “It is something beyond our understanding, but that is because we do not need to understand it.” That is a downright cop out. You can have your faith, but don’t let it stand in the way of the truth. If your faith ends up being reality, well done. But until then, a true investigation needs to be done before whatever children were present end up dead from a possible blood born disease. The majority of the instances you people have shared, Patrick has CONSISTENTLY refuted with solid proof and none of you respond after that. You just disappeared (more than likely because you ran out of anectodal evidence that your preacher or your mom told you about). And anyone who does add a comment very obviously did not read his previous responses as he has had to repeat himself countless times. Patrick seems to have a vast knowledge when it comes to religion whereas you religious folk are lacking entirely. Which general seems to be the case when any type of religious debate incurs. Athiests and Agnostics generally DO have a more indepth knowledge because they actually question everything and are forced to look deeper whereas the religious just accept everything as fact because of…what? What was it? Oh yeah…FAITH! Hmmm
    I know, you all wanna pray for me. But don’t. My family has been doing it since I was eight years old and started noticing the indescrepencies and condratictions within the Bible and quickly became the black sheep because I had a mind of my own. Needless to say, after twenty years, nothing has changed except my growing distaste to how people believe everything without so much as a questioning glance. But hey, who am I to judge?
    But back to my point, instead of looking at the religious view and your undying faith toward your deity, we seriously need to take a look at what all it could have been.
    1. If it was human flesh, that human could very well have had a disease or condition that, once another human digests it, it is now in their blood. If the donar had HIV/AIDS or any number of incurable blood born diseases, hey, now everyone who ate it has it. To name a few, malaria, syphilis, and brucellosis. Hepatitis B (HBV), Hepatitis C (HCV), and the Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) are the most common and dangerous.
    2. If it was ANY type of flesh, it was left out for an extended time period in an uncontrolled, room temperature environment (the average temperature throughout Poland at the time of this instance was approximately 65 degrees fahrenheit. ANY kind of tissue needs to be kept at a constant of 32 degrees fahrenheit to be safe for eating. It was kept nowhere near that), which means BACTERIA! Bacteria that you do NOT want in your body! FYI that means severe health complications. Here are a few of the diseases that can be contracted from eating meat that has been allowed to spoil: Anthrax, bovine tuberculosis, brucellosis, salmonellosis, listeriosis, trichinosis or taeniasis. And because we don’t know whether it was from a human or an animal, the list is rather extensive. And no one can say whether we do know for certain or not because NO TESTS WERE DONE.
    3. If it was a fungus, as Patrick said, you need to look at what type. Because, as we all SHOULD know (considering we all were required by the board of education to take several science courses throughout school–WHICH MEANS….dun dun dun….WE’RE NOT RELYING ON FAITH BECAUSE WE DO KNOW IT!), most fungi are NOT good or even remotely safe for the human immune system.
    Personally, I don’t care what you want to believe because you’re all adults and you’re all of legal age to make whatever decisions you deem necessary to continue living your life. If you want to drink the Kool-Aid, by all means, drink it. But do NOT include children in your games and rituals without first making sure they are completely safe. You can have all of the faith you want, but you need to think of the opposite end of the spectrum: What if Jesus and God ARE testing you, but not how you expect them to? What if they are testing to see if you will blindly follow (which is bad) or if you will think for yoursel fand protect the ones you love, thus keeping HIS loved ones alive (DING DING DING This is GOOD)? Ever think of that? You guys don’t have an instructions manual written by HIM telling you what to do. You have a booklet written by various men throughout thousands of years (Patrick has already listed for you in EVERY SINGLE COMMENT HE POSTED what the timelines were and who wrote what, when so there is absolutely no reason for me to relist them–do you reading, folks. It’s good for you) writing THEIR depiction of certain events. And you are following them blindly. You’re not even following your faith, you’re following random men throughout history–while saying scientific facts are fake.
    I dunno about you guys.

  • Delores says:

    I must admire each of u for ur intense research & in depth response.. I’m more the person of just basic prayers & trust to a being that I can’t see but have travel extensively into the world of just plain trust in His care for myself & family. I’ve been to the point of not knowing what will happen to me & my children….when one has been brought to the point that God is the only hope left and u seek Him w/ur whole heart….He is faithful & was faithful to me. I can’t list nor have the verbiage to debate His answering so many of my prayers…. there is really no explanation but I don’t need to read all kinds of books all I did was believe that God created the universe and He is real today… That’s all I needed was to step out in faith & accepting His love & putting my trust in His Saving grace.
    So simple for me. I do pray for individuals that r having a hard time in accepting Him as our supreme being. That’s ok w/me because I go back to King David, Moses & Paul all were siners but were used mighty by God. In Gods time He will reach each & everyone. It’s up to each of us if we accept His love…I am a convert to the catholic faith…I love my catholic faith and do believe in the body & blood of Christ in the eucharist …I’m ok in all test that need to be made, in all the debates and in all the questions to be asked…He will prove all that needs to be proven. PLEASE DONT respond to my comment for I’m just a person of deep faith in a living God…

  • Jon says:

    Having an atheist brother, I’ve had many such conversations (and arguments) on religion and faith as I see on this forum. The problem ultimately comes down to apples and oranges. The atheist/agnostics demand empirical scientific proof of God/miracles etc. while the believers quote scripture or expound upon the ways God has touched their lives. One demands objective proof while the other is based on a subjective relationship. But God isn’t a lab rat to submit himself to our experiments, like the atheists demand. He reveals himself to, and works his miracles for, those who believe. Jesus didn’t work miracles for those who didn’t believe, and it was unbelievers that were so offended by him that they put him to death. But atheists/agnostics, don’t despair. There is a way to test the theory of whether or not God exists. Be the lab rat yourself. Instead of putting God to the test, put yourself to the test. Seek him in faith and see what happens to you. Pray and meditate on the mysteries of the Rosary for a significant time period and see if you change. Read the Gospels not looking for ammunition in an argument or demanding objective proof, but to develop a relationship with the subject, Jesus. For once, enter into your own experiment, not proud and defiant, but honestly, humbly seeking understanding. Until you do that, these discussions are at cross purposes. This isn’t a perfect analogy because God isn’t a shy creature hiding away from us, but when scientists hear of evidence of a new animal in a remote region of the world, they don’t demand that the animal come to them to be verified; they make the trek to where the animal is and spend weeks studying the habitat, trying to learn where it spends its time, what it eats, etc. and setting up cameras in the hopes of getting a glimpse. And if they really want to gain a deeper understanding, they build a relationship with the animal through habituation. The same goes for God. If you want to find God, you need to go to where he is, seek him out if you want to get a glimpse of him. And if you really want to understand him, you need to build a relationship with him.

    • Scott says:

      I have read the Bible cover to cover. I see a story of men who rejected God repeatedly much like yourself. I also see stories of people who were limited by their “thoughts” and “logic”.
      I also learned that the Bible is a combination of fact, fiction and moral teachings. If you read the Bible as completely fact or fiction or moral teachings, you will never understand it. That is your blind spot. You want everything neat and tidy, all explained. And the sad part is, you think you are being logical and scientific.
      You are wasting your breath trying to substitute your worldly experience with spiritual experience. Those of us who have experience the presence of the Holy Spirit will never denounce the existence of God. We have had a tangible, physical experience that you have never had. You can believe that or not. It makes no difference to me. I know what I experienced.
      Your arguments are boring. We have heard them all before. They are not original. All of these ideas you have gotten from others. You are following a religion, but you don’t realize it.

  • Jon says:

    Just want to chime in here. I haven’t read all the comment–just don’t have the time–so I have no idea of this has been covered or not, but a couple of things strike me. First, believers don’t need miracles, so whether or not this turns out to be one isn’t all that important. Second, seeking empirical, material, observational, repeatable, testable evidence of God won’t happen until Christ comes in glory for one good reason–free will. With irrefutable proof comes a cessation of free will. God wants us to seek him out, but he leaves that choice to us. He wants us to live good, moral lives, but he leaves that choice to us. He imposes nothing on us by force. He desires a relationship with us, and that comes through a spiritual union with him. It isn’t something testable. It’s apples and oranges to demand objective scientific evidence when the evidence is subjective–a person to Person experience. Atheists/agnostics want God to be their lab rat, but they are unwilling to make themselves the rat, to be IN the experiment rather than outside of it. And that’s because unlike searching for a mythological beast in the Himalayas, to find God demands serious changes to one’s life whereas finding a Yeti doesn’t. That’s why they are never willing to subject themselves to the test to see if the evidence appears within their own hearts. They won’t pray the Rosary or read the Gospels daily for a month with a sincere heart to know the truth because they don’t WANT to know God. That’s the bottom line. No evidence will be enough. So the atheist/agnostics can stop demanding evidence and the believers can stop giving scriptures because y’all are at cross purposes here.

  • Sally says:

    Here’s a science project I’d like to put out there for anyone who is not Catholic/Christian/religious. Use the scientific method and record it for two years. Simply say the words: Jesus, I trust in You. Write it down in a planner or calendar and highlight or check it off when completed. Also, kneel while saying it. If you have a picture of the Divine Mercy, look at it while you say it. In the meantime, continue the wait for whatever evidence pops up around this investigation.
    It actually shouldn’t be a big deal to do this since you don’t believe anyway. I’d like to hear about your findings.

  • James says:

    What’s to prove? It’s the eucharistic! Already a miracle!

  • lou says:

    Omg….you either believe or you dont..end of story….as a Priest once said to me…nothing to loose if you believe…if it turns out to be rubbish…so what….you’ve lost nothing ..!!!

  • wacoi says:

    So much knowledge will be the undoing of some.If this blood was put in the ingredients and baked?how does that turn colour

  • S.R. says:

    1Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions 2through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences. 3They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer. -1 Timothy 4: 1-5

  • Stella Mitchell says:

    I Believe the host showing blood stains something bad will happen to the world

  • Samuel Herbert says:

    Hhahahahaha PaTrick you made my day 😀

  • Martin says:

    The god of this world who is Satan also do miracles to deceive people.

  • JQ says:

    Indeed we human can only understand what our minds want to recognize. Man wants to measure everything his senses understand. And when some people discusses about faith, some would expound it within the boundaries of their senses. Faith as described by our Lord Jesus Christ is beyond our human senses. It doesn’t need to be explained for it to show that it exist. Jesus whole life remained a mystery even to the brilliant minds of the jews 2000+ years ago. He never revealed anything to those who question Him but for those touched by His miracles all was revealed. As he said, fill your hearts not of the treasures of this earth but of treasures of heaven.

  • Eze Nnamdi Kingsley says:

    may our agonising Jesus Christ present in the eucharistic miracle of Poland be consoled and adored, AMEN.

    • Cortezia Miranda says:

      Yo. I just wanted to high five you *high five* for actually asking questions. Which is more than I can say for a lot of my fellow Catholics. We fall into this trap of just blindly accepting things because it’s “right”. Who says it’s right? You’re supposed to question, you’re supposed to understand what you’re believing in, at least up to an extent. And then we get all defensive when you question us – classic. I’m sorry.
      I didn’t read the entire thread. I just read the first 20 posts, got the gist, and came down here to post this. I’m very sleepy. I’m terribly in love with my faith. Being Catholic is the best thing about me. Yeah I’ll pray for you. Like all of them. Keep questioning. I’ll be praying that you get your answer.

  • jp pascual says:

    Its sad that people will not doubt this for a second, i see all catholics believe and thinks to say you don’t is disrespectful, non catholic christians are skeptical but will profess their belief in christ, non christian theist dont believe as well. If this has been about a winged horse muslims will praising allah and christians will just laugh, do you see the pattern? Wake up people and think beyond ancient unsubstantiated belief, you can do it! I did.. I just wish I’m as patient as you Patrick.

  • Liliana says:

    After watching an Eucharistic miracle so many times in Lebanon, which occur before and during the consecration of the bread and wine. My conclusion is that in each mass, the real Presence is there. Even till now. It is not just a memorial, it is a constant sacrifice and giving of Our Lord. As God and Lord, He can make Himself present at any time, not only during the consecration of bread and wine.
    Why these miracles happen? My guess is : to remind us that God is ever present, He is not a history of the past times. It is difficult to imagine that God makes this sacrifice in every mass, sometimes is visible, sometimes is not. But the fact is, that is a constant sacrifice.
    Blessed are those who believe without seeing!

    • Fred says:

      This is where Catholics are blaspheming Christ. Jesus’ last words on the cross were “it is finished”. The other gospels also say that his death was a ‘1’ time sacrifice. For catholics to say “But the fact is, that is a constant sacrifice” is the same as saying Christ’s death on the cross was not sufficient for the remediation of the world’s sin. Same as the catholic church saying people need to do penance. It is completely opposite to having faith in Christ’s sacrifice.

  • Faymarie says:

    You must have some interest to have actually read the article. If you choose not to believe that is your choice. To actually pen your mockery on a site that is for Christians is disrespectful at best. Please place your opinion on sites that have similar like minded people. Your mockery of our beliefs is not welcome here.

  • Melissa Mccalley says:

    Patrick, you are begging people to prove their points, their miracles, their facts. You are searching for something very missing in your life. God. Your Catholic faith. Let go and let God.

  • Robert says:

    John, that is so true. This person gets pleasure insulting other people’s deeply held faith, then mocks them as people of faith. We who know the truth through the eyes of faith will not do anything but pray for his apparently tortured soul. He protests too much. Enjoy your day Patrick. We love you.

  • sweet...but can be toxic says:

    Who’s not to be mad at Patrick Ganon, so many explanation he still arguing for his own belief and reason. He does that a lot to convince people to come to his church and proclaimed his church founded by JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF cos of the name Iglesia ni Cristo but actually Iglesia ni Manalo! Even GOD get mad so much more people like us to people like Patrick who like a Pharasses in JESUS CHRIST time not believe in HIM. Patrick’s Ganon to me is a modern Pharasses in our time as we as modern Lucifer the snake try to convince people on his own belief cos he is lonely and sad to be alone or just few of them in their faith so he try hard to convince Catholic people to join him like Lucifer the snake to Eve.

  • It seems I incounter Patrick Ganon on some sites. I think he is legless ni Manalo in PI

  • Ademar says:

    Hey Patrick,
    A friend of mine ran across your thread here last night and read me a number of your comments.
    I’m a once-a-thread post-er who doesn’t go back to look at responses to my comments,
    so I’ll leave you with a few things to chew on. If you’re an honest seeker for the truth,
    they’ll help you. If you’re simply a troll that wants to be contrary, it’d be a waste of time
    to “discuss” things with you.
    I’ll only touch on two broad things that you brought up.
    1.) Being an agnostic.
    — Reality exists whether we acknowledge it as such or not. It’s not a mental construct projected by our minds.
    (If you doubt that, you soon won’t when the wind blows sand into your eyes or explosive diarrhea strikes before you can get your pants off.)
    — Reality is ordered.
    — That order means that there is an Orderer: God.
    — God has to be greater than anything He created because otherwise He’s subordinate to it and thus not God.
    — Plants are greater than rocks, animals are greater than plants, and persons (us humans) are greater than animals. So
    God has to be at least a person.
    — Persons by nature relate, so God has to be more than one person, otherwise He’d be dependent on a creature for relationship and thus not God.
    So God has to be at least two persons.
    — Persons love. And love produces something or even someone.
    (Ya, I know there are lots of jerks, etc. out there — that doesn’t change the fact that when a person is not a jerk, they love.
    The very act of identifying a person as a jerk already presupposes that we assume there is a person who is truly being what a person should be.)
    — So God is more than one person, but also more than two, because being absolutely perfect, the love between the first two aforementioned persons
    gives rise to a a third person.
    — Since God is personal, He can relate to us. Since He’s perfect, His relationship with us — from His end — is only love (more in point 2 below).
    — Hence, God’s very existence, His being a Trinity, and His loving us is something that is reasonable to us.
    2.) Folks being in hell for billions of years/eternity for a short act they committed in their short earthly lives.
    — Persons by nature have free will — they can choose to act in a way in harmony with or contrary to reality.
    — Because God is the author of reality, choosing to act in a way contrary to reality will cause harm to the person and their environs,
    but their relationship with Him is affected only if the person is knowingly choosing the bad.
    — A person knowingly choosing the bad will find God to some degree revolting, very much so if the bad act is particularly bad. After all,
    if they don’t like the good enough to choose it, they’re not going to like the author of the good either.
    — So, when they finally see Him after death, those that knowingly chose the bad find God absolutely obnoxious,
    and it is very unpleasant for them to be near Him.
    — Sooo, He permits them to flee his revolting presence to a far distant place called hell. The damned are actually less miserable in
    hell than they would be in Heaven with God, and, yes, they are there because they have chosen the bad freely.
    To wrap up: A couple of things I need to suggest you because I’m a teacher of many years:
    a.) Think clearly. (otherwise it’s easy to miss the obvious)
    b.) Substantiate the many claims you make. (makes for more fruitful discussion)
    If I don’t bump into you here in this life, I’ll see you in eternity!

  • Agboola says:

    Patrick it is so obvious that you are an unrepentant atheist, if u die in this state u will rot in hell, this is a site for catholics who are proud of their faith and ready to acknowledge that fact not foolish satanic beings like you who are looking to recruit members into your satanic cult. Go and get a life and stop all this rubbish.

  • Leo Pius says:

    Talofa, -means Hello, once again to you my dear friend Patrick and yes English is not my first language but am glad to note that such differences is not a barrier for you trying to understand my shared view where I could have imagine you sounds like spending a great deal of time trying to understand me for you must have decided to be friends with me why you response, a ea/right?
    Which reminds me of how Christ Jesus had come about revealing his father –the destructive god I see you have trouble comprehend, to us all by; first that we are his brethren then second friends with His (if I may add the TRINITY God) utmost wish that our close relationship be developed to a realization that we are all of His father’s adopted son’s and daughter’s and that they wished for us all to be with HIM after this preliminary life!
    OK, now I know what an Agnostics is and I quite like that notion of yours to quote; “..have no objective evidence for such things, otherwise we wouldn’t still discussing it,, end quote” to an extent where I kind of having trouble myself figuring out, how much into the negative side of things from the zero position you are at the moment? With much hope that you be willing to open your heart to this God (revealed to us by Christ Jesus) of ours then make a decision yourself to improve your standing position soon?
    Don’t you worry for like Jim Cavizeal, you need not to line behind me -but Christ Jesus –refer Jim Cavizeal testimony I shared on the 9minute 30seconds to 10th minute & 18minute 50secons to 19th minute -to save you time, if you are too busy viewing it,? I see you commenting on the link with Mario Joseph, but I see you have a problem absorbing it for you sound determine on objectively prove to me of Yahweh/Allah’s (i.e. God the father) destruction act,, to which I don’t need you to remind me off. Simply because –I need not to think, as I know,,, that such destruction account you are troubled with (as accounted in the Holy Bible) are all out of “pure Jealousy” towards us His created human race. Imagining your excitement on creating something or say a person to love –like how he created man called Adam, yet your created person to love ended up loving another man instead of you!!?
    But then of course no one of us had done such apart from witnessing a new born baby out of his/her mother –I know for a fact as I had been around my wife giving birth to all our five (5) children,,, even the poor mothers with unfaithful man or got raped,, for the God I’m talking about is faithful one. Never heard of anyone witnessing an Evolution event your scientific minds are trying to preach,,, well -of course, unless have you seen one yourself then you have to state it for me to reconsider my above statement,,!?
    Anyhow I’m glad to learn that you agree with me on learning new things and I’m sorry if had offended you gathering of the tone you ended that paragraph -for you do sounds like a mad man to me or was it because of me not hearing you well,, lol!? I’m also glad with the much learning that you have done with the Holy Bible which means I shouldn’t need to spend much time getting you back on the right track should you agree to hear some brotherly guidance from me. You know, just like how Christ Jesus guide his Apostles back then, before commissioning them with his carrying on mission for he was certain that his time on earth will be done and he is due to return back to His father (Yahweh/Allah) awaiting the completion of His revealing mission. Then allowing His Advocate –God the Holy Spirit (3) as accounted in the Holy Bible, to continue it with us as we are not to be left like orphans, right,, man hope you are with me still?
    Come on, if you really are a ‘recovered Catholic’ then you should be able to agree with me this far, right? Sorry will not waste my time on the other details you discussed but before I end this one I just need to; 1. comment a on the Holy Bible and how you discredit ‘John’s gospel’ and the books of ‘Acts of the Apostles’ for I am certain you had it wrong. With much hope that you and your Agnostic group are not thinking of re-writing the Holy Bible -like how Martin Luther had uphold the similar concerns by Saint Jerome -of the 7 books, yet he did not exclude any while he was translating them for he had submitted the Catholicism Magistrate i.e. the rightful Author of the Holy Bible. Or in the likes of Muhammad whom decided to write the Quran for their Islamic religion -in the 8th Century I think,,, where Mario Joseph testify that it was of the Quran it self that directs him to Catholicism chapter 10 verse 94-96, don’t you agree?
    As for our subject of Bleeding Host in Poland, I am yet to learn of any confirmation from Rome to certify it as genuine phenomena so there i kind of agree with you but I believe in it as many other cases certify by the Church Magistrate plus I would not dare to follow Apostle Thomas lead where Christ Jesus affirms to him later where it should also re-confirm to us that wish by HIM to have all of us back with HIM awaiting us all. And it is this Eucharist matter seen Christ Jesus stand firm as recorded by again, John 6; 22-59 The Bread of Life Discourse. Then, the Words of Eternal Life John 6; 60-71. Note how he asks his Disciples verse 67 “Do you also want to leave?”.
    Currently we had a lady with Stigmata -a phenomena in our island country Samoa occurred on Easter season this year, in Rome for the Church certification,, so stay tune,,!
    Anyhow, I wish not ‘to leave you’ alone out there and should you wish to continue, then I would be happy to respond more as we journey along. Keep It up and we will soon get to have fun,, shall we?

  • Carol Ormandy says:

    ok Patrick you have made your point but you will never ever change our minds about our Lord. It is you yourself that is desperately seeking answers not us, we know and deep down so do you

  • Leo Pius says:

    Talofa again my dear friend, Patrick! Thank you for responding and with your kind notion of changing the subject. Interestingly I wonder whether you aware that the Hawaiians somehow believe their ancestors are from Samoa. Hence I have no problem agreeing that us Samoans had the similar belief before Christianity to an extend that our people had a spiritual belief of a Superior being named ‘Tagaloa’ a similarity of Allah/Yahweh/God the Father, stage. Whom Christ Jesus –God the Son, the origination of ‘Christianity’ movement had come to reveal in person.
    Anyway answering your question on your ‘surf note’,, man I wish! I personally am afraid of the water while three of my young kids are like squids. I am an Accountant by profession and would definitely wish to see whether we can do something with your IT business by the sounds of things to help out with our developing country on that side of things.
    Anyhow I’m glad to see that you are talking more of Jesus (Christ) this time around even though that ‘trying hard notion’ of yours discrediting his existence like how you had went on with his father -whom you refer to him as a ‘wrathful god/Allah/Yahweh, perhaps because I agree with you but somehow from an opposite perspective of a ‘Jealousy God’ instead, a ea?
    With your claim of being a ‘recovered Catholic’ wondering what exactly do you mean by that and how are you now a day in relation to the Catholicism? Mainly because -Imam Sulaiman, remember him whom now happily called himself Mario Joseph explaining of his turning point away from Prophet Mohammed ‘Allah notion’ to Catholicism ‘God’s notion’? When he realised that Allah refer to his followers ‘Slaves’ contrast to Jesus Christ who wills to give his followers the power to become children of God,, refer the 12th minute 30seconds to the 13th minute of the recorded testimony I shared for you do sure sound like a busy man yourself.
    Again, I hope you don’t mind me not wish to refute you on your much detail scientific information shared already, learning of Professor John Lennox saying, ‘Nonsense remains nonsense, even when spoken by a famous scientists’ with another one ‘to the wrong person you will never have any worth but to the right person you mean EVERYTHING’. The two sayings are of the 18 Leadership Quotes and Lessons from the “God’s Not Dead” movie. Nice one to watch should you have time?
    Pretty sure after watching the concern movie then you should realise that He –Christ Jesus, as you mention; quote; ‘does miracles and then goes into hiding’ end quote, is dead wrong and am certain of it.
    Anyhow will allow you time to watch the movie and will still be around should you wish to share or ask more refuting notions simply because you mean everything to me and especially HIM the (TRINITY God).
    Anyhow back to our IT subject, we currently have fiber in Samoa with 2 mobile phone providers; namely 1. Digicel and 3. Blue Sky there a new player who called themselves NETVO but not a mobile provider. Pretty sure there is a good reason for you to visit Samoa and see what you and I can do with those broadband satellite of yours to help our developing nation, don’t you agree? Not to mention our beautiful Island weather and out of that cold whether you described, what do you think?
    Will start our next sharing session by discussing the reality of ‘cold’ compare to ‘heat’,,, or shall I leave that to you my science friend,,, testing out our instinct for we should be on the same page by now, what do you reckon?

    • Mrs Rosemary Volage says:

      Dear Patrick, I recognize many of your agnostic statements as they reflect many of my own over 40 years ago. I was raised Catholic but in my early twenties I began to question the belief system I had been taught. I was not angry or confused. I was exercising parts of my frontal cortex. I was intensely curious and investigated other faiths in depth. I was also reading Nietzsche et al. This went on for several years.
      The thoughts and conclusions I came to – well the list is too long to share here.
      But nothing, in the final analysis, could logically explain to me the existence of God.
      Before I get to my point let me preface by saying that a few things had happen to me during my youth (the 1st at the age of 5) that awed and sometimes frightened me. I never told anyone about any of these events until just recently. They were private and I kept them to myself, as has been my usual way until now.
      It was Thursday night on November 8, 1979. I came in the front door and as usual the TV was on but nobody was in the livingroom. I put my stuff down on my mom’s piano and glanced at the TV.
      I violently lost my breath and feel to my knees. Silent tears poured from my eyes but I was not sad. Quite the opposite, I felt SO joyful and peaceful. The face on the screen was a negative photo of the face of Jesus on the Shroud of Turin.
      Please believe me, I had never heard of the Shroud before this. What transpired when I walked in the door happened in a matter of seconds. Until I listened for a few minutes there had been no mention of Jesus’ name. It would not have mattered. Test results and counter tests don’t matter to me.
      I knew instantaneously that the image on the Shroud is of Jesus Christ. I know it to this day.
      After my heart and mind settled down I went through a great deal of self-analysis to determine why this knowledge was SO unshakeable. Then I realized the simple truth that Faith, Hope, and Love cannot be objectively proven. Miracles cannot be proven. They all belong to a realm of existence far above any science or process our brains are capable of contemplating. Unfortunately so too are doubt, despair, and hate.
      Over the last 20 years I have faced many hardships including permanent medical issues causing paralysis and chronic pain. I have lost nearly all of my loved ones. I am the proverbial old widow who is relatively alone in the world. At least that is how others see me. But Jesus Christ, The Word of God incarnate, cares for my soul, has set me free, and carries me across the sand when times are tough.
      I am truly sorry that your indoctrination in your youth was so negative. Mine was quite positive. But I still lost my faith for many years. Maybe it’s all part of growing.
      Patrick, you may say I am deluding myself. I would have said the same 40 years ago. Now I can only wish that you would find the same delusion that is The Truth, The Way, and The Light.
      God Bless you.
      Rosemary 11/27/16

  • Leo Pius says:

    Malo Patrick, again thank you for responding and explaining what you mean “recovering Catholic”.
    I can imagine your frustrations, I think? And it’s quite unfortunate that you seem certain that nothing can change your mind, from feeling content with your recovering position, or am I ‘not’ right?
    Perhaps I can consider myself lucky to be born into a Christian Country and a Catholic Devoted family. Pretty sure such negative notion you described had been taught but was of a minority compare to the Loving side of God. I remember myself being ‘just a name calling’ Catholic Christian but had not much thought into it until 1999 after my first participation of an eight week’s ‘New Life in the Spirit’ seminar by our Parish Charismatic movement group. It was on the 7th week when I felt my unfairness towards Gods outflow love on me yet I had little thought of it. There and then I had made a choice of loving him back.
    I wonder whether you had watched the movie ‘God’s not Dead’, I refer to on my last sharing? I see it refers to Atheist (A-“Without” + Theos –‘God’) compare to your Agnostics (A-‘To not know’ + Gnostic –‘To Know’) group, and I must admit I am a bit confused here wonder whether you can help me out a bit?
    Am I right to think that the Atheist claims that there is ‘NO God’, while your group have trouble with ‘no objective evidence’ to prove that God does exist, even the ‘afterlife notion’ you need objective evidence as well? If so then I am happy for now I’m certain I am talking to a human person not an alien, lol. Simply because it is of our human nature that will never rest until we are comfortable with whatever quest we have in life. A quest that Saint Augustine of Hippo recons it is of “God himself” for he had made us all for his like, hence his famous saying; ‘You have made us for Yourself, O Lord, and our hearts are restless until they rest in You.’
    Well perhaps you may wonder why I bother for you had made up your mind already. The simple answer is because being a Christians one claim to have a special relationship with Christ Jesus -as a person, hence our urge to help him out with his mission (making sure no one on our way is left behind) while we had a chance. So the least I could do is simply spend some time with you here while I have the chance. But of course as Jim Cavizeal testifies same with character ‘Josh Weaton’ in the movie, it will be of our individual choice that leads us to hell -in the afterlife, never of Him -the TRINITY God.
    One thing for certain though is that he had the entire patient to await us all until our last breath, wishing for us to make up our minds and take on his course. Just like that right thinking ‘criminal’ that was hanged with him on Calvary; -(gospel Luke 23:39-43, such souls Apostle Paul refers to on his 2nd letter to Corinthians 12;1-3 same as the Book of Revelation chapter 2 verse 7; “Whoever has ears ought to hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the victor – any Christian individual who holds fast to the faith and does God’s will in the face of persecution ,* I will give the right to eat from the tree of life that is in the garden of God.” ). Same as that Atheist character -Professor J. Radisson, in the movie.
    Hence I herewith try my best reason out few notions with you my dear friend with much hope that there still be a chance for you to hear Him right via my alienating human being. For I, like Him, would never dream of leaving you alone out there. Unless, of course, you chose to carry on with your so called ‘comfort zone’ and leave me alone out here?
    Anyhow as for the ‘cold notion’ I pen out last time mentioning it, I wonder whether you had any thought of it. For just as much as you and your Agnostic group wish for an objective evidence to prove the existence of God is my wondering whether you had aware that there is no objective evidence to prove that the ‘cold’ exists? Scientist (Kelvin) only has evidence of heat measuring it to as far as 458 below zero and never of ‘cold’. So in reality ‘cold’ is just a word to describe the absence of heat.
    Until next time, shall wait for more sharing from you my dear friend!

  • Patrick, have you ever wondered you are made with all necessary things for you to live.
    If human are only here on earth, they would die because there is no food.
    Have you ever thought how your whole body is design.
    Your nose for smelling, your ears for hearing, etc.
    Dead things don’t make living things but living thing make living things.
    Science can’t even calculate the exact amount of PI.
    They can’t explain why ice is slippery.
    Why hot water freezes faster than cold water when in a refrigerator.
    The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe.
    We see a universe marvelously arranged.

  • Larry says:

    Patrick,you are an ass
    Can’t you just pray,worship,and be thankful to GOD. You dont have to be a fanatic. Just a Christian believer.

    • Ray says:

      Patrick,
      I am astounded at how much time and effort you have devoted to even just this comment thread. You do a good job of being articulate and patient especially with a lot of commenters who seem to look past your points and not really address anything you have said. Ideologically, I probably align much more with the majority of posters on the thread (devout Catholic, fully abide by precepts of the RCC, etc.) but I was pretty dismayed by the lack of charity with which your completely genuine inquiries were met. I just felt it necessary to make sure that the way you presented you viewpoint is much appreciated (and in time I would be willing to discuss any relevant topic with you at length).
      Best,
      Ray

  • John says:

    Patrick, Patrick, Patrick why would I use social media to prove someone’s existence? All I know is until you give scientific evidence you still don’t exist. How science and religion works to prove anything is not what I pointed out to. Science is a human device by humans and ever changes so why would you rely on it? The very observations, hypothesis and conclusions (by humans) is full of flaws. you pointed out that scientists are the ones who are prone to error and as such they are the ones who endorse the theories until proven wrong. How many scientific theories have been proven wrong and inaccurate? As for the computer program, I did not say you designed it, I said it is a possibility that you were designed so. When you described science you mistook science for the scientific process and indeed the scientific process is what I was implying by inductions and deductions. some things are beyond that capacity.

    • Pedros says:

      There you have it Patrick.Thank you John. The secret word here is Freedom. Our God wants us to leave in freedom. Only your faith determines who you are.

  • Joey says:

    O Great St. Stephen, the scriptures tell us that your face was like an angel’s as you witnessed to the truth of Christ.
    Please ask the Most Holy Trinity to fill my soul and the souls of all my brothers and sisters throughout the world with a deep hunger for the truth that comes from the Heart of Jesus, and also with the loving courage to embrace and profess the truth even amid difficulties, confusion, and persecution.
    May the serenity and peace which were yours at the hour of your stoning be ours as well as we wait in hope for the coming of the Lord Jesus who lives and reigns forever and ever.
    Amen.

  • Joe G. says:

    Patrick? I suppose you don’t or can’t possibly believe in the Big Bang Theory either right?
    According to your words: “It’s completely unprovable from a scientific perspective because there is no clear trail of evidence. There’s no way to prove what really happened 1300 years ago”….wouldn’t that be the case for this so called “theory” of the creation of the universe. ? Hmm…..
    What say you?

  • Karen says:

    Hi Patrick, I can see where you are coming from and understand your need to ask questions and have evidence as I too am not one to blindly follow things I hear or have just read etc! as that’s quite ludicrous! I often read things like the above and just keep an open mind, as I like to see studies and references etc too. When you write a paper at uni (for example) if you don’t have a good and detailed reference list to verify your statements then your statements/argument lose all credibility.. I get that. I was brought up a Catholic, but I always questioned EVERYTHING as I was brought up to think for myself and society/ school institutions etc. objectives are to develop our critical minds and literacy skills, to use our brains! discern fact from fiction. I always read everything! I asked questions, researched every religion, philosophy etc.. people failed to give me REAL proof. “It just is? Why do you question?” God does want us to question and seek Him. I noticed something was fuelling me to always search? Why ask why or what if there is nothing, why would we have that innate need? or even care? What does your heart say Patrick..as I had this feeling in my heart and soul that someone/something, my maker was always there. The fact that we are here is miracle enough! creation is a miracle, it seems logical that something/ someone created everything. If I am just a human and have the capacity to question and create and use my critical mind to investigate, evaluate and have an opinion on various subjects then imagine the abilities of the one who created me!! Anyway, in a nutshell 🙂 I followed my heart, whilst using my critical mind and my heart lead me to do certain things- number one was finding my old rosary beads, I learnt how to use them and then miracle after miracle unfolded for me as my faith grew. Miraclea that I can question and that can objectively stand on their own. I saw Jesus, in a way that’s hard to explain, through my heart and I was shown that he is the truth. Literally that is hard to “get” but combined with the gifts the Holy Spirit gave me and showed me I “get it” so now I read the Bible with open eyes and I get it. Thank God i searched and searched and didn’t just take the word of others! I pray Patrick that you see what you need to see, that you can truly understand and feel what faith is. Faith has driven me, faith to me is an “inner knowing” my inner knowing has now been confirmed with true, miracles I have witnessed, so my faith has been confirmed within an earthly, science governed context. The only way you will find what you are looking for here is by dealing directly with the source you are seeking.. I.e. Your maker/God and to develop a relationship with Him and see for yourself.. don’t assume too much about others, and that no miracles exist because you haven’t seen any yourself yet.. keep an open mind and ask and wait.
    Good luck Patrick, you have been posting here for a reason. ?

  • Kathy L. says:

    Patrick: You are a believer – in words and manipulation through them. You seem to enjoy using your words to stir up doubt to manipulate others’ belief/s. I am not an experienced researcher and it seems you believe you are. My religion, Catholicism, teaches a relationship with Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Second person of the Trinity. All of the teachings require Faith in them to make sense. Faith is a gift of God and is nourished by learning about Jesus and loving myself and others as He does. This has been a life-long journey for me. I knew I believed in God since I was about 4 or 5 years old and I cannot offer you proof as to how I know that fact. I had yet to be informed of Jesus or how to get to know Him. I grew up in a very unstable, abusive home and suffered much (including attempted murder by a stepfather). I say this not to garner sympathy or profess to you I know why I was given faith. Miracles in our church are sometimes personal (private) and sometimes public. I have been blessed with MANY private miracles. I cannot offer the churches documentation sources for the public ones, but I have witnessed public ones. As an intensive care Registered Nurse for 44 years, I saw people healed before and after death when there was no explanation definable by the current medical venue. I’ve heard Doctors remark about xrays totally cleared of deformities/diseases after the person was prayed for. Prayer is a miracle. It also requires Faith. I feel sad when I run into people so convinced that God is desperately trying to convince them to believe in Him. He’s God. He doesn’t need our faith, we do. It’s our choice – to love or not. Only a God who loves appreciates someone who loves. If you are trying to win an intellectual game with God, you’ve lost already. In my long journey in life, I heard an expression that helped me get over all the “whys”, “why me’s” and “prove it’s” I uttered. The expression was: “the longest journey a person ever travels is the 18 inches from his head to his heart”. When you travel to your heart, God is there waiting. Always – for everyone. God Bless you, always and all-ways, Patrick. Peace.

  • Ann Saunders says:

    Patrick, if you believe this is a hoax like you suggested, why don’t you call for an investigation into the blood’s source. If you think it likely human tissue is being baked into a dry wafer without an outward trace showing until it is put into water, why are you not up in arms? But if you just want to detract from the story, keep it up, few if any will take your words ove Christs. We are not indoctrinated as you say, we have reached out into the unknown and asked for evidence of God, and He has returned with affirmation that we know I’d real. If you are as objective as you say, try with an open mind and heart, but don’t expect God to kowtow to you. He is the one who created this complex universe after all, why should He respond to someone who is not open to truth?

  • Kathy L. says:

    Patrick: I said “Faith is a gift of God and is nourished by learning about Jesus and loving myself and others as He does.” God gives the gift of faith to everyone. It’s our CHOICE to exercise the gift. Like we exercise our muscles or they atrophy and become useless. But the seed of faith is always there until our last breath. If you choose not to use your faith, God still leaves the seed within you. The more compassion, charity, etc. (the spiritual ‘muscles’ of faith) I use and express, the more I grow in compassion and charity. This is what all the saints in Heaven did while on earth. But, again, this defies all the logical arguments you choose to throw at me and the others in this thread. You said, “I assume you believe that I will be tortured in hell fire for billions and trillions of eternal years, even though I was designed in such a way that I require evidence before believing in unicorns, fairies, gods and afterlives. Why are you whining to me?”. I assume no such thing. Only God knows the choices you make and how long you continue to rebuff Him. That’s between you and Him. I don’t believe I was in any way “whining”. You apparently processed my response that way. I was taught to never ASSUME anything about facts or people…if you do, “You Make An A** Out Of You And Me”. Using the gifts of intellect, reason, critical thinking, logic, is well and good and to be admired as long as you don’t assume you already have the answer. Your assumption that you know better than thousands of others with faith is a flaw and flirts with presumption. All the logic in the world can’t reveal an unexpected answer if you assume you know better than all others. It smacks of arrogance. As far as “we can let go of all that shame, guilt and fear and get on with fixing our world” says that’s what you are coming to the table with. The only way I plan on “fixing” our world is to love, help and appreciate everyone God sends into my life everyday. If you have read His book as you say, then you know he says to love others as I have loved you. That’s how I grow my faith. He didn’t say use logic to talk others out of their faith or to prove that you are right about it all. I wish you all good and His Blessings always and all-ways, Patrick.

  • Anne says:

    Every single day, I pray for atheists and agnostics.
    We need to pray for Patrick.
    I was raised Catholic, but turned away from God for personal reasons. Deep inside, I felt guilty, dirty.
    Then, my life changed. I realized, guilt stemmed from disbelief. I deemed myself agnostic.
    After time, I found God again. My life changed for the better.
    There are still times I doubt, but know the devil is doing ‘its’ dirty deeds. Tempting.
    I read many comments by atheists. Ironically, atheists discuss God more than Christians.
    In 1994, I heard about a photo of the ‘weeping, Virgin Mary, ‘Theotokos’ at a Greek Orthodox Church in Cicero IL.
    I attended.
    BTW, two weeks before seeing the photo, I was diagnosed with a spinal tumor. Doctors didn’t know if was cancerous or benign.
    Anyway, the photo was amazing. There was no way it was a hoax. No way. A solo photo on a stand.
    We were given Q-Tips that were touched with Mary’s tears.
    There wasn’t any charge, no one asked for donations.
    1994 was the last time the photo wept. Unfortunately.
    The tumor was removed, and thank God, benign. I’m not saying that I was miraculously cured, but we never know.
    God Bless everyone.

  • Elizabeth says:

    To Bro Patrick Ganoon to believe or not its your choice and ours but there is something that will never change and that’s GOD’S love for you and us and it is always be available and free. We love you in the the of the LORD .

  • Jannette says:

    Hi Patrick, I can see how you have made up your mind to be an agnostic. I understand where you are coming from. However, I disagree that there is no God.
    From my point of view…It takes FAITH to believe in God, and the son of God, the Holy Sprirt and the Virgin Mary, along with the lives of Saints, the Miracles that happens everyday.
    As you have said. It takes scientific evidence and you also want to see GOD up close and personal in order for you to believe. I sounds to me that you were once a Catholic? Correct me if I am mistaken.. and sounds very articulate and sophisticated. It’s hard to understand and believe especially when there is no scientific evidence, and if there is evidence….There is also an element of doubt. That’s the reason Jesus died because people did not believe in Him and was angry at Him to have learned that He was the Son of God.
    Just imagine yourself getting into the time machine (time machine does not exist yet) so let’s be hypothetical about and. Pretend you were an observer. How would you feel if you saw a man who fits the description of the BIBLE. I expect you have well read the Bible and have been familiar with the prophets, because you can relate to every verse and have disproved articles regarding Saints and Miracles.
    My question to you is… How would you feel if you were a blind man and wanted to see everything that is going on around you and some guy named Jesus touched your eyes and made you see again? Another one… How would you feel if the same guy who touched your eyes, and given you sight was sentenced to death? Died without due process? Back in those days, they kings, people in higher ranks would just listen to the crowd and do what the people tell them to do. Have they proven Jesus’ crime? To deserve such death? Let’s say it’s one of the greatest mysteries of all times…What did this guy named Jesus do to become so popular that in this day and age, people like us have heard His name? And up to this day, is being mocked? Insulted? even taken to a more sophisticated scientific test just to prove that He is not God? Why is he so hated when he never killed anyone? Hurt anyone, and being blamed unendlessly?
    Why do some people die? Why would God let hundreds, thousands, millions of innocent people die without saving them? And why are there so many undocumented cases of people dying and came back to life? Shared their testimony but some people still need scientific evidence? What about those patients who once had cancer? Were told they have a few months to live??? But suddenly became healthy again. By the way, some of them were agnostics like you. (Diagnosed by doctors, scientists could not explain it)
    The question could be endless. What is amazing about being able to know Jesus and believing in him is. You seem to have a feeling of contentment, peace and joy in your heart that science probably just can say is a psychological state of mind.
    There is no way to prove that there is life after death because of course, we all have to die first before knowing what comes next. To me, even though I may not be as intelligent as you are, as good as convincing you that there is a GOD. All I can say is. I have FAITH in Jesus and believe that God exists.
    Knowing Him gives you peace, joy, contentment and guidance in life. Why bother proving if He exists or not? Why live life with Love and peace in your heart. I’m not saying that life is perfect, because it’s not. Life will continue to experience ups and downs (joys and griefs). Knowing Jesus is like knowing that you have a God and a best friend at the same time.
    What I’m challenging you is, why don’t you do these steps and disprove the existence of GOD for yourself by doing these steps first.
    1. Stop looking for posts of people who believe on this thread and other people’s comments.
    2. Get out of your researches on the Web because as you have said….”Everything”
    including whatever articles are on the internet needs to be proven..before it is a fact..is that correct?
    3. Make a leap of faith. If you are daring, like the Saints were. To reach out to people who are around you up close and personal and observe how they handle their lives and tell us who is happy and who is contented and who is not?
    4. Make a tally and see who is not a believer and who is a believer. Most people I have known, who prays everyday to God. Are not taking depression pills. They are not miserable. ??
    5. Also, I have known that minutes before a dying person dies, they are delirious so if they see something and makes a comment like ‘it’s nice over there’ or ‘wow'( Steve jobs) is discountable because there may or may not be a heaven after life?? So, see if you can go to a hospital and witness a dying person( maybe old people’s home) ask them if what their opinion about life after death? Or to be direct….God?
    6. Ask yourself a question…. Why am I so obsess with this thread? Can’t I just live my life the way I want and be contented and happy with it and just leave those Christians alone and let them think what they want and share whatever unproven articles of miracles they like to share? After all, all these things will reveal the truth by itself after we die? Right?
    7. Give me a list of things that Christians should do to live a happy life? And send us back an inspiring comment of how you live your life and why you are so happy and contented being an agnostic?
    God bless you in your journey and I pray that you find these answers as long as you live. ??

  • It seems that you are ignorant or making Church ignorant of how an investigative procedures to be done with regard these matters before proclaiming and publishing these. Should I tell you like a first grader?

  • It seems that you are ignorant of how an investigative procedures to be done before the Church proclaims such miracle. If you are well educated and reader then read more and search more or I will tell you how it is done like a grader.

  • John says:

    When we take our last breath this mystery will be solved. For only one of us the truth will be very sad. God if the believer dies and there really is nothing else, they have lived a life pleasing to the God we love and that’s the end of the story. If the non-believer is wrong, a life of eternal hell awaits.

  • Liliana says:

    My understanding, Fred, is that when Jesus said: it is finished. He might have meant that His work at that time was done, his human presence at that time was done, but that does not mean that He can not be present in the Holy Host at every mass and wherever He pleases. We, humans accept only what our eyes can see, but does it only exist what our eyes can see? We might be wrong.
    According to what I have seen, and not only myself, but lots of people have been witnessed to such miracle, God wanted to present Himself in the Holy Host so that we, witnesses might give testimony of what we have seen: the marvelous works of God!
    I said: a constant sacrifice because I have witnessed it, during the consecration of the bread and wine and also before the mass.
    First, I thought: oh, we need this old priest for that miracle to happen.
    Then, the same miracle had happened before the mass, when the priest was going to check the chalice and dish to have everything ready for the mass. Any explanation?
    My best answer would be that God is present everywhere.
    We can not understand this in our ‘limited mind’ , with our limited knowledge, of trying to explain things scientifically, but there is more to that, I believe so.
    We can not even interpret what has been written in the Bible. We interpret it in our own way.
    God is all wisdom. Our wisdom might be ‘so limited’ that we can not understand the grandiosity of His Mighty Presence.
    I don’t believe that I am blaspheming, I am a witness. I might not understand the meaning of Jesus when He said: it is finished, or give a right explanation, but I am just giving my own explanation or conclusions of things I have witnessed.
    We are like a speck in the air, in is magnificent ocean, which is the earth.
    Maybe our ‘knowledge’ can be compare likewise.
    Why I have had the grace of witnessing such miracle? I do not know it. But what I know is that it is certainly to let people know of the Presence of God, of Christ.
    Sincerely,
    Liliana

    • Hey people, this thread was designed so that Patrick blogs for a living. the more you post and click the more Patrick gets his money, don’t waste your time posting and hoping you will be meaningful to him in any way. I agree with John who said that Patrick could be an AI program with a made up identity

  • Pete Thomas says:

    Patrick….nobody on this site should judge you for what you do or do not believe. Only God has that right. As someone who has truly been blessed by the grace of God, all I can do is pray for you and hope that you open your heart to Him, some day soon. I will also pray for you. I will pray that you are ready and prepared to be judged by Him when that day comes. For example….if He asks why you deserve to enter heaven….what will you say?

  • A'bii says:

    I am so sorry for the long argument. though i have not finish reading them all. But, can we really (human brains) argue God out? unless for fun. otherwise, I advise; believe, if you do believe and don’t believe if you don’t. Believing or not believing does nothing to God but to u who believe and who also don’t. I and U may get diverted any time if we don’t pay attention. We are host. I and you can host good or bad. Just be u. Knowingly or unknowingly that, Every one will give an account @ every end. “Conversion belongs to God.”
    Help the in need. Not arguing!
    Thank you all.

  • Nellie guezen says:

    Dear Patrick, think about these words.
    The mistery of his presence here,
    No mortal soul can tell.
    Whom all the world can not contaian,
    comes in our heart to dwell.
    It is a mistery. I hope one day you will be enlightened and your mortal soul can accept God,s grace.

  • Joy runner says:

    Yes it’s undergone testing, as they all due extensively by outside labs not told what it is. Various Eucharistic miracles along with Shroud of Torin have same results on blood type and heart tissue (one scientist shocked that it was still living and asking how is this possible!) All hosts contain the mystery of the body and blood of our Lord and these miracles testify to the church’s teaching. Evidence not just by miracles, but in historical case for Christ and His resurrection. You are not a chance occurrence popped into being from the origins of nothing, the universe is mathematically fine tuned beyond chance. Repent and run to the church, follow Him. He walked with us and revealed to us the path. Waste no more time.

  • Emeterio Mance says:

    similar case happened in Buenos Aires in 1986 when Pope Francis was bishop there. Actually the test result of the Eucharistic Miracle in Buenos Aires is the same as the result of the Eucharistic Miracle in Lanciano, Italy… the miracle in Lanciano took place 1700 years ago. I was there last month and the Eucharist is still there and the wine turned blood which is now coagulated is still preserved there… for non believers this is what Jesus said, ” even if you raise the dead to life they will not believe.”

  • Alan says:

    Here’s the thing… The way it was described to me many years ago by my cousin, who was a Catholic priest, is that these wafers are of course mass-produced for the clergy by a company that makes then in much the same manner as they would your regular saltine crackers.
    However, during the Mass, when the priest and the congregation say the prayers before communion, those wafers are changed from simple made-man morsels into the actual body of Christ which we consume in fidelity to Jesus Christ.
    We all know the power of prayer. We have all experienced miracles. Why is it so hard for some to believe that the power of prayer can create the miracle of turning wafers into the actual body of Christ?
    Clearly, many “religious” people who believe in Christ don’t actually believe that this miracle occurs, but here’s the scientific proof and still they question. Unfortunate.

  • Evelyn Milne says:

    Who is this Patrick person that many people’s comments are responding to? I don’t see any comments written by anyone named Patrick .

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