Masturbation – According to the Bible, is it a sin?




The Bible never explicitly mentions masturbation or states whether or not masturbation is a sin. The Scripture most frequently pointed to in regards to masturbation is the story of Onan in Genesis 38:9-10. Some interpret this passage as saying that “spilling your seed” on the ground is a sin. However, that is not precisely what the passage is saying. God condemned Onan not for “spilling his seed” but because Onan refused to fulfill his duty to provide an heir for his brother. The passage is not about masturbation, but rather about fulfilling a family duty. A second passage sometimes used as evidence for masturbation’s being a sin is Matthew 5:27-30. Jesus speaks against having lustful thoughts and then says, “If your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away.” While there are parallels between this passage and masturbation, it is unlikely that masturbation was what Jesus was alluding to.




While the Bible nowhere explicitly states that masturbation is a sin, there is no question as to whether the actions that lead to masturbation are sinful. Masturbation is nearly always the result of lustful thoughts, sexual stimulation, and/or pornographic images. It is these problems that need to be dealt with. If the sins of lust, immoral thoughts, and pornography are forsaken and overcome, masturbation will become a non-issue. Many people struggle with guilty feelings concerning masturbation, when in reality, the things that led to the act are far more worthy of repentance.

There are some biblical principles that can be applied to the issue of masturbation.Ephesians 5:3 declares, “Among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity.” It is hard to see how masturbating can pass that particular test. The Bible teaches us, “So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31). If you cannot give God glory for something, you should not do it. If a person is not fully convinced that an activity is pleasing to God, then it is a sin: “Everything that does not come from faith is sin” (Romans 14:23). Further, we need to remember that our bodies have been redeemed and belong to God. “Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). This great truth should have a real bearing on what we do with our bodies. In light of these principles, the conclusion that masturbation is a sin is biblical. Clearly, masturbation is not glorifying to God; it does not avoid the appearance of immorality, nor does it pass the test of God’s having ownership over our bodies.





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  1. Robert henry Reply

    Yes it is. Dad word said that there is only three places to put your seed. Look it up.

    1. patrisia zeldana Reply

      Where can i find the things you said?
      I meant in what part of the bible?

      1. Sally Reply

        I wonder if “masturbation is sin” because it does not bring glory to God….. is blowing your nose as sin also because it does not bring glory to God? How many of our daily actions do not bring glory to God? Let God be the judge, not us.

        1. Bekah Reply

          Blowing your nose has no comparison to masterbating.
          And if you have reached such a low level that masterbating means as much as blowing your nose. I think you might have a sexual problem.

          1. Patrick Gannon

            Those who think that a normal bodily function is sinful are the ones who have the sexual problem. Sally’s response is on the mark. If a thing is sinful “because it does not bring glory to God,” then as she points out, there are many things we do that would qualify as sinful – such as wiping our butts after using the toilet. Does that activity “bring glory to God?” Blowing your nose, wiping your butt, spitting gum or watermelon seeds out of your mouth, and masturbating, are all normal, healthy, human behaviors that are only bad if you allow disordered, celibate, virgin men dressed in robes to convince you otherwise. Never forget that Jesus railed against the clergy. They were his enemy. Jesus’ message was very clear – don’t trust the clergy.

          2. mkprzMike

            How about going to the movies? Or listening to jazz music? Is that sinful? No glory to God is given by doing those things. In fact, it is for the body to enjoy, not the spirit. That is the same reason Muslims kill those who partake of fleshly pleasures. I guess I should avoid baseball games and coffee houses.

        2. Angel Fire Reply

          right, but then….dang no one gets to judge us all. What fun would Christians have if they could not judge.

        3. Jeromias Reply

          Yes need to recollect

        4. Theresa Reply

          I agree with you Sally especially for young teens that get a hard on for no apparent reason other than a hormonal flash and needs to feline for from the sexual tension. It is not abusing your body. Furthermore our family Dr expressed the importance of prostate health to my 66 year old husband, that it’s important to “keep the pipes cleaned” .

    2. David Rodriguez Reply

      Would the first thing be to define what is a sin. The best way to define a sin is to reference St Paul’s words. In Romans 8:14 and on he says, and let me paraphrase: I know the law is good, but I find that there is another law in my body that acts against the law. And so i wake up wanting to do what is good but doing just the opposite. So I find that their is another law in me which is sin that lives within me. Thanks be to God who has saved me from this.
      He also says we are all a slave to sin because of the fear of death, this means the fear to suffer to not be loved to die and dissappear. The devil uses this fear, that’s why in Christ we are all freed from this slavery. Christ has destroyed death, so that death just seems like a bomb we are afraid off but inside we experience resurrection. That’s why the letters also speak of the cross, which refers to each men’s suffering, and says for christians it is the rock on which we build our house for gentiles its is the rock that crushes them.
      So in this knowledge we can define that sin is an escape from suffering. In the same manner masturbation is always an escape because we do not accept suffering we do not accept reality. Its is an act by which we agree with the devil in that God in our life is not love. We agree and say he has not loved us and therefore we have to love ourselfs by gratifying ourselfs in some form. This in turn produces sadness in us and darkness because with an act we agree that God does not love is, and if God does not love us then death is where we disappear and if death is where we disappear then life has no meaning. Because everything we do comes to an end.

      Just to put a quick example, my daughter just discovered death a few days ago because of a funeral and questions she had being a curious girl. When she understood death is forever, a huge sadness come over her and she could not be consoled because she could not understand that life ended. I think because at a deeper subconscious she understands that if everything end then why do we exist in the first place it is the end of love.
      This is the same feeling that sin creates the end of all love and meaning

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        Yes, let’s start with sin (the original word was an archery term that meant to fall short of the mark). Paul says that sin entered the world through one man (Adam), but Paul was wrong. Paul believed in a literal Genesis as did most people then. Paul did not know about evolution or cosmology or geology, or physics, etc.. We know there was no two-person bottleneck in our DNA. There was no six day creation, no talking snakes, no fall from grace, no original sin – none of that happened. The author said to have told us these stories (Moses) was himself a product of two other myths. There was no mass Exodus from Egypt, and no Conquest of Canaan – this is well accepted by scholars. The foundation Paul relied on has been utterly washed out. (For Paul, Jesus seems to have been a celestial god, not a human actually placed here on earth – but that’s another discussion).
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        What the RCC refers to as sin in its maniacal obsession with all things sexual, is an evolutionary sex drive that permitted our species to survive throughout tens and even hundreds of thousands of years when most births ended in death. If we didn’t keep cranking them out, we would have died out. Now, however, thanks to modern health care and the discovery of germs and sanitation, (something Jesus failed to share with us if he was really a god, thereby condemning millions to horrible deaths for another 1800 years or so), we now have too many people. However we evolved the intellect and intelligence to manage this evolved sex drive by developing contraception; however the RCC insists on condemning us to eventual extinction it seems, rather than deploy these tools to better the lives of all mankind.
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        As for masturbation, it’s a normal, healthy bodily function and you should enjoy it, but like anything, not to obsession. Maintain a healthy balance in your life and don’t listen to disordered, celibate virgins dressed in robes, and you’ll have a happier life. Jesus really isn’t watching you masturbate. If he’s still fascinated with watching us masturbate after all this time, I’d say the boy has some issues…
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        I wonder if perhaps your daughter instinctively realizes that death is the end of the road, and has not been sufficiently indoctrinated to believe that there may be a life after death. On the other hand, I’m not sure that really happens for most Christians, even if they pay lip service to the idea. Christians are just as distraught as anyone else, if not more so, when a loved one dies. If they really believed there was a glorious reward after death, then funerals should be celebrations.
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        Why should we live life in full and with purpose and joy, and treating each other kindly, if there is no life after death? Because we do go on living as long as the human species survives. The New Age folks like to speak of the Oneness of all. I don’t know about all, but every one of us shares DNA with the rest of the whole, and some piece of us will go on as long as humans survive. (Oddly the clergy in remaining celibate has chosen to exit the gene pool, thus culling themselves from any further contribution…. and on the whole, we should probably thank them for that!). When you help another, you help the human genome by helping its survival. As individuals our lives have whatever purpose we give them. We may be but mechanical carriers for genes when it’s all said and done. The question is – will we be like a virus put on a petri dish that overpopulates, consumes all resources, drowns in its own poisons and goes extinct…. Or will we be permitted to use the intelligence, logic and reason we evolved to solve these kinds of problems?

        1. gigahoo Reply

          The problem with your argumentation is that they are self serving interpretations. There is nothing in your appeal to evolution that demands your interpretation is correct. We do know from science the entire human race had one common ancestral mother. Catholic theology has always taught that facts matter, and if a fact contradicts our understanding of scripture then we need to seek a better understanding.

          What is fundamental and beyond reasonable doubt, is that Jesus lived, his apostles lived, and Jesus is who he said he was. Everything a Christian believes and understands, in particular with respect to the bible, follows from this firm foundation. Faith is NOT belief for which there is no evidence, but the surprising realization that the infinite cares for finite men to the extent they are created in His image, that unexpectedly God all powerful is love itself.

          1. Patrick Gannon

            Gigahoo, we aren’t talking about “interpretations” when it comes to evolution. Evolution is a fact that the last few Popes have accepted. They continue to maintain that there was an original Adam and Eve, but the DNA evidence does not support them. I would recommend you visit a site called BioLogos, actually founded by a devout Christian, Francis Collins who was one of the first to decode the human genome. While he continues to be a Christian (in defiance of science), he and other researchers have confirmed that we humans evolved from a pool of early humans, and not a single breeding pair. The DNA evidence does not support a two person DNA bottleneck. Our genes have more diversity than just two people could have provided. In time, the Church will have to accept this, just as it finally had to accept that the sun does not go around the earth at the center of the universe, that they were wrong. The problem with no two-person DNA bottleneck is that this does away with original sin, and hence any need to believe, say and do the right things with respect to Jesus in order to avoid eternal torment.
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            Given that the facts DO contradict your understanding of scripture (just like a six day creation, global flood, mass exodus from Egypt and conquest of Canaan), when are Catholics and other Christians going to adopt the truth of these things? They really can’t because without original sin, Christianity has no reason to exist – unless it evolves from a religion of fear, shame, guilt and hostility to the other, into a religion of inclusiveness and peace.
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            It is absolutely NOT fundamental and beyond reasonable doubt that Jesus lived – in fact it’s highly unlikely in my opinion. I would suggest you read Richard Carrier’s peer-reviewed research on the Historicity of Jesus. Even the NT makes it pretty clear that Jesus was a celestial demigod, not a real flesh and blood person until the author of Mark made it so. Paul does not know of a real flesh and blood Jesus – only a man revealed through scripture and revelation. Yes, there were apostles, but Paul has no concept of disciples – Mark appears to have invented them a couple decades after Paul wrote his letters.
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            Faith is pretending to know things we don’t know – like the historicity of Jesus not to mention the existence of Yahweh… In any case, an all-powerful being that sends any human who lives but a handful of decades to eternal torment in hellfire, is the epitome of evil, and there is no good reason to respect those who worship this evil being. Fear this evil – OK, fine, but to worship it? No, that is to demean ourselves as humans.

          2. aaron.da007

            You recommended a site called BioLogos, they acknowledge that God exists but you don’t, isn’t that a contradiction on your beliefs?

        2. Jacqueline Reply

          Patrick, you misunderstand Catholic belief. Please, do more count on what you have heard or “googled” about a subject before commenting on it. Research. You know a lot of untruths and misconceptions about Catholicism.
          Also, evolution is a theory not a fact. It is unproven. Why do you suppose they call it the “Theory of Evolution”?
          Another fact: ALL of Mankind can be traced back via the mitochondria to one woman.
          One last thing: Who made/created you? In other words, how did you come to be?

          1. Steve

            You need to learn more about science. In science, a theory holds more weight than a fact. Gravity is a theory, but we know things fall.

  2. stephen Reply

    What can one do to avoid or stop masturbation?

    1. patrick Christopher Reply

      put God into your life first, and get Marie.

      1. Richard Beres Reply

        marie? i gotta meet her!

        1. Ahmed Almasi Reply

          omg hillarious! heheh he mean Married, man dont get too far man!

      2. Alex Reply

        You could say sin or devils trap , yes it is a trap of devil , I am the victim of this trap , his trap men can not understand, he is very clever ,
        When you masturbate you would think it’s just small sin , God is not going to punish you for it , yeah he will not , so we will do it again and again , but these time he will utilise (devil) definitely he will , whenever you masturbate it would make hesitation pray to God , so there is no communication between god and us , so devil can easily trap us to physical injuries or even in approval death, if there is no prayer he can easily do what ever he wants
        at present I am regretting about my big loss , so dear brother and sisters if your addicted to this sin stop immediately and turn to Jesus,
        and repent about it , as well as pray for me to get well from my injuries,

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          Alex, your only injury is the unnecessary shame, guilt and fear that the Church has imposed on you through the crime of psychological abuse through indoctrination. Medical experts confirm that masturbation is a normal, healthy bodily function. Why would you listen to disordered, unnatural, celibate, virgin men dressed in robes who, as men, perform this same function, but then tell you to feel guilty about it? It’s all a control game. If they can make you feel guilty, as they have, then they hope to get you into Church where you will leave money in the offering bowl, and more importantly, indoctrinate your own children in order to continue the extension of the Iron Age into modern times.
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          The injury is with the Church itself, and it’s manic obsession with all things sexual. The best thing about its unnatural members is that they voluntarily remove themselves from the human gene pool, and for this I suppose we should be grateful.

    2. Al Velazquez Reply

      To avoid masturbation you need to stop thinking and fantasizing in lustful thoughts, stop watching pornography, or even magazines with partially nude woman or even men (in cases of homosexuality), also avoid listening to jokes of sexual natures, or engaging in conversations with friends about their sexual experience they possibly had with a woman or men. All the previous, triggers lust and all are sinful therefore that behavior leads to masturbations. To top it off if you are not praying specially the rosary you are exposing your self even more to sinful acts, therefore you are jeoperdizing the salvation of your immortal soul.

      1. michael corcoran Reply

        Self reliance is not the answer for this. Porn and other vices around won’t cease
        to tempt and lure you into it’s grip, Just because you walk by it and ignore it like
        a leper. The answer is Ephesians 6:10-8 putting on the full armor of God and
        never taking it off. Even when you sleep Satan can take advantage of our sleep
        and tempt us with visions of alluring women, The same way he uses televisions,
        magazines, movies and other videos to tempt us. It is only when the armor (full)
        is on and Jesus is standing in front of us battling the enemy, That he flees b/c
        he knows he is not able battle the risen Christ.

    3. Chris Reply

      Pray, especially the Rosary with full contemplation on the mysteries. While you pray, consider how you personal sin has contributed to the reason our Lord had to come and perform he greatest sacrifice. Especially when reciting the sorrowful mysteries. When you consider that your masterbation could have been the reason for one of the lashes of the scourging… Well…it brings tears to my eyes friend. God bless you in the battle that is sin.

      1. Old English Tweeter (@briggs1662) Reply

        to whom? not everyone has that possibility – perhaps you are living and working in a place where there is no suitable partner because of demographics and your age. But that doesn’t change your needs. Not a very considered reply.

    4. Marc Reply

      PRAY the Rosary! Plead to the Lord for help and He will provide you with His Grace to help you. He did this for me and it’s been over 3 years since I stopped that sinful practice.

    5. Nishaal Nicholas Reply

      Any sin let it be, it comes from Satan. Satan is more clever, and stronger than you (if you do not live the Word of God, that means you are a slave to Satan. Thus we can understand that Satan is stronger than us). To defeat a power superior to you, you need the help of someone even superior to that power. One can never defeat a power superior to.

      Recite one rosary daily with the intention of attaining grace to overcome the temptations (Mama Mary is the strongest human being after Jesus(God and Man) over the Satan. She crushed Satan’s head). She’ll help you.

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        I know an elderly man who is and was a very devout Catholic, who surely believed that masturbation was a mortal sin. Being a highly disciplined individual, I assume that he learned to control himself and avoided having to go to Confession too frequently for that so-called “sin.”
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        There is scientific evidence which indicates that masturbation helps ‘lubricate’ the male prostate, keeping it clean and healthy. This elderly gentleman has lost control over urination and must wear a catheter, which in turn leads to frequent uterine tract infections which make him rather miserable.
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        I can’t help but think that Catholicism is largely responsible for his suffering – but the RCC loves suffering, so mission accomplished. The RCC, comprised of a bunch of disordered, celibate, virgin men dressed in robes, is obsessed with SEX. The RCC wants sex to be associated with shame, guilt and fear so that they can control you. Fortunately for the rest of us, they have removed themselves from the gene pool, in an acknowledgment, I suppose, of how disordered and manic their obsession is.

    6. Dorakin Warhammer Reply

      It is not easy – offer a prayer when the “itch” occurs. This is a battle you must wage. Good one I use are: Hail Mary or St. Michael the Archangel. Remember it is Gods body not yours. If you love Him, you will do as He intends.

  3. Danny Larne Reply

    It was nothing to do with family commitment or duty as Shelagh was not punished likewise.The punishment given in the law for a family offence as you put it was for to be slapped with the woman’s shoe.This can be found in the book of Deuteronomy.It was taking pleasure without responsibility which displeased God.

  4. David Reply

    The body is not a carnival to be used for selfish pleasure. It is made to serve God.

    1. Sally Reply

      Is getting a therapeutic massage; eating a gourmet meal followed by a an exquisite dessert; getting a manicure, pedicure, new hairstyle; a vacation at a luxurious getaway in a warm climate a carnival indulging our bodies for selfish pleasure also a sin?

      1. chizitere mo Reply

        Do you Orgasm when you do those?

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          So the problem is orgasm. It’s a sin? So when young boys and men have nocturnal emissions they are sinning, even though they can’t help themselves; even though they are innocent because they are asleep? Why did Yahweh create us with the ability to enjoy sexual reproduction, and then make it sinful? Within the RCC, sexual sins are about the worst thing you can do. Isn’t that pretty cruel of an all-powerful being to grant us a wonderful gift and then make it sinful?
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          Hmm, would a nocturnal emission be a mortal sin? To be a mortal sin, a thing has to be bad (and you’re implying that orgasm is bad), you have to know it’s bad (and you do because the RCC says so) and you have to do it anyway. But if you’re asleep, it’s hard to see how you could be complicit – however think of the unbaptized souls of aborted, miscarried or stillborns. The Church says it knows of no way to salvation outside of baptism, so the default destination for these innocent, unbaptized souls is Hell. They obviously don’t know that not being baptized is bad, and they have no means with which to get baptized and thus commit the heinous crime of dying before being baptized – but they are denied salvation regardless, so given this, if you wake up with evidence of a nocturnal emission, your innocence and your lack of knowledge of the act, matters not, and you best get to confession and tell the disordered, celibate virgin dressed in black robes in the little dark closet, all about your sexual secrets in order to avoid an eternity of the skin burning off your body while being replenished from below; all of this because Yahweh detests orgasms unless they meet carefully constructed limitations, and are only experienced with your many wives, handmaidens of your wives, your slaves and the slaves of your wives, not to mention young virgins taken as spoils of war. Those orgasms are all OK according to the OT.
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          Of course, Yahweh did not create us with this trait, we evolved it, and without it, we probably would have died out, as most humans died before reaching the age of reproduction until modern science alleviated that problem. Now, our sex drive is a problem as it drives us to over-populate our world and consume its resources, leaving us to drown in our own poisons…. Fortunately we also evolved intelligence and came up with the scientific method. We used our evolved intelligence to devise contraception that is very safe and reliable, and this advancement gives us the tools to help avoid our extinction – but of course the RCC, stuck in the Iron Age, is loathe to give up its condemnation and manic obsession with all things sexual in nature. What better way is there for a bunch of disordered, celibate virgins playing dress-up in robes, to control sheeple, than to make them feel shame and guilt over a completely natural, healthy activity such as masturbation? The only redeeming value is that these unnatural, robed people have voluntarily chosen to remove themselves from the gene pool, and for that we should be thankful.

    2. Sally Reply

      Is getting a therapeutic massage; enjoying a gourmet meal preceded by a cocktail and followed by an exquisite dessert; getting a manicure, pedicure, hairstyle; vacation getaway at hotel/spa in a warm climate a carnival for selfish pleasure that falls into the category of sin?

  5. Epifanio M. Almeda Reply

    The verses cited do not support the author’s conclusion that masturbation is sin. It is what’s in the mind which the said verses point out. The person who is sexually “starved” may masturbate to avoid entertaining sexual lusts.

  6. catstclair12000 Reply

    While it is very common in young people who are yet unable to marry due to youth, one must consider that, if one can satisfy oneself, what need has one of a partner in marriage, for which sexual activity was intended? It is far worse in a married couple if one is using it to reject one’s spouse because their physical relationship is a type of God’s love: the total receiving of another person, body and spirit, in love while giving to that person everything one is, in love, without reserve. Only in marriage can that kind of love find completeness.

  7. A loving husband Reply

    However, doing the thing is just part of the story, we all know. Males are visual. Females share the responsibility over the sin of masturbation by the impure clothing. It is almost impossible to get home with a hard-on and you do nothing. I’m convinced that it no young males are able to live a pure life nowadays, although I accept the Church teaching.
    At the same time St Paul says that one should marry so as to not commit sin and burn in the fire of lust for long. By this he admits the male nature. (Which obviously does not mean one should masturbate).

    Pornography is a level that needs to be divided from the “lighter” sin of occasional masturbation. Pornography greatly contributes addiction from which long is the journey back. Addiction as we know it mostly is in relation with drugs, alcohol or smoking, but it is obvious that the addicted brain is begging for the release of the hormons caused by ejaculation.

    We live a world in which this sense is pumped up insanely high. Once I had the opportunity to visit an islamic country where females dress up in a way that no skin is allowed to be shown down to the ancle and wrist on the arms. What a difference I could observe in the operation of my body! There is hope. Not in a western lustful culture though.

    1. Danni Carr Reply

      “A Loving Husband”, you should be ashamed of yourself! Females will not accept responsibility for your thoughts, regardless of their attire! Read the Ten Commandments, recognise your sins and take yourself to confession.
      Men who blame women for their sexual thoughts and actions are at the root of the evils in this world. Across continental divides, social class divides, religious, racial, and educational divides, male exploitation of the female is the most common and damaging of all sins. Get a grip of yourself.

      1. A loving husband Reply

        Watch your language mister. I am not pushing responsibility just saying there is causality as well. Female DO have the responsibility to dress up in a pure way.
        People you are talking about are evil and selfish and consider females tools. I’m not like that.
        My experience that I shared clearly shows that it is very diffferent when you are surrounded with purity.
        So again watch your language and be less judgemental if I may ask.

        1. Brien Reply

          Are you attempting to chastise someone because their opinion does not agree with yours. How bloody arrogant of you.
          YOU watch your language and stop trying to lord your absurd special privileges onto others with a more logical and realistic concept.

      2. Brien Reply

        Typical of a religion which starts off with a fable that a woman created the reason for ‘original’ sin.
        Yeah, let’s blame the women for what doctors and psychologists are a purely natural urge and instinct.
        Don’t forget to chop off the Clitoris!

        1. Brien Reply

          What?? The silence is deafening!!

          1. Jenifer Markoe

            It sound like you are blaming the fact that you cannot keep it in your pants that it is all women’s fault because how they dress. Well maybe you need to have cold limp sock around your sin. Just like a man to blame women for his lust.

      3. Christian Reply

        It takes two to commit adultery. Matthew 5:28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” Women should be careful not to allow adultery with them through their indecent exposure. BE DECENT IN YOUR DRESSING SISTERS AND BE MINDFUL OF GOD’S COMMAND IN Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          Holy crap. If I was a woman this would absolutely infuriate me. Heck, I’m not a woman and it infuriates me. I seldom call people names in these forums, but you should be ashamed of yourself, you weak willed, pathetic excuse for a man. You make me ashamed of being male – projecting your weakness and lack of willpower on to someone else. That is the most pathetic thing I’ve read this week and I read a lot of pathetic crap. The woman who marries you will have to be an idiot.
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          Deuteronomy has a lot of other rules too – like no pork, no mixing of fabric, no lobster or shellfish, death for working on the Sabbath,. death for charging interest on loans, death for sassing your parent, the stupid, barbaric, primitive, sexist rules of the OT are what mankind has risen above, and you want to drag us back to the Bronze Age. Enjoy yourself – I’m not going back, and I don’t think most women are going back there with you either.

        2. Robert Half Reply

          Perfect reflection of the Mind of the Almighty. Well said. When I lived in NYC, the young priests would say it wasn’t a sin, but the old priests would invariably. Now that I’m old, its not that much of a problem anymore, even though I’ll be celebrating my 40th wedding anniversary this year, but my wife and I have not had relations for 24 years. That led to a labyrinth of temptations from the evil ones who plague us incessantly, but thank God He has the last say. Unfortunately the vocational crisis has made this Sacrament of Penance almost impossible to find in some cities, and so people become negligent and disinterested because they use their intellects to justify the sin, calling it impossible to resist. There’s always the Rosary, the Chaplet of St. Michael, Holy Mass, St. Philomena’s oil and belt, which St. John Vianney recommended, and the expulsion of the TV, internet and all other venues of entertainment which only serve to perpetuate a steady stream of filth into our minds. Inescapable.

    2. The Viking from Yorkshire Reply

      Paul does indeed say that one should marry, and in so doing implicitly acknowledges that not all are blessed with the ability to abstain. However you fail to recognize that not everybody can marry. Some have remained single (for various reasons), and have come to the age when there are no likely if not even “suitable” partners. If you live in a city, that may be hard to understand, but if you live in small communities you might understand it better.

  8. Be-Ronn Reply

    I might say that masturbation is a sin, we all knew that we got sinned by the ways of acting, thinking,and speaking. During masturbation, people cant just go ahead and masturbate without thinking of anything, while being masturbating the person who’s masturbating will be thinking of the private parts of another body.

    1. Brien Doyle Reply

      Masturbation is a healthy activity, physiologically and mentally, and is encouraged by medical science.
      Remember that the concept of ‘sin’ is an imaginary idea created by man to control and to punish.

      1. Robert Half Reply

        I was watching a movie today about the US Indianapolis which was sunk after delivering the atomic bomb to its base in the South Pacific. In one scene, one fellow is pondering what he has seen in warfare, and states that if God exists, He is one evil fellow and not worthy of respect.

        Why is it inveterate sinners never accuse themselves of their crimes in the Sacrament of Penance? Sin is okay, but God, Who gives them breathe, life, sun, water, housing, food, transportation and all the benefits of life is somehow an evil villain? They have *very* jaundiced views of life. Which, of course, if stemming from pride and the need to be God themselves and the Magisterium in order to create their own skewed and perverted view of life. Sad, really. Pray the Rosary..

    2. Brien Doyle Reply

      You have started your commentary based on erroneous presumptions, thus all that you say based on those presumptions can hold no validity.
      You presume a god. No proof for such a presumption!
      Next you presume the concept of ‘sin’. Another idea, along with a ‘soul’, which has no rational credibility.
      At least you are questioning the absolutes by those even more deluded in their mental disorder.

    3. Kaytie Reply

      I masturbate a lot and rarely think about the private parts of another body. I’m usually thinking about my own lady parts and how good it feels to touch it. No pornography required.

  9. Jonathan B. Rico Reply

    Excuse me… You can never have sex even with your own wife without any lustful desires or thoughts so is that immoral? If you are a firm believer that the end does not justify the means… Then you will out-rightly conclude that having sex with your wife is indeed immoral because of the lustful desires that is normally found in one’s carnal state… The mere act of having sex itself is based on lust and not procreation… You need to condition yourself first in a very lustful manner in order for your plans of having an offspring could materialize… If it hadn’t been for the pleasurable lustful feeling that involves sexual activity… it wouldn’t be possible for man or even animal to be fruitful and multiply… A person’s own conviction determines if he sins or not… and God is the final arbiter of things whether you are sinning or not… not some clandestine logical idea of a supposedly moral person… Scientific medical research states that masturbation is a healthy act… Now it is up to you if you want to believe otherwise.

  10. Aldo Lombardi Reply

    Yes the bible specifically mention masturbation when it speaks about not having authority on your own body in 1 Corinthians 7:4

    4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

  11. Robert Mezzanotti Reply

    I went on a Retreat years ago and I heard the priest in the Eastern Right church say masturbation was not a sin. I was shock at this statement but never questioned him.

  12. vele j ravu Reply

    Those are reasonable logic thesis..but If someone is in the mood of having sexual intercourse would he/she be just sit there n do nothing or will the human nature takes its own course…or will she/he control it like having thoughts about other things rather than occuppying the mind with lustful thoughts..

  13. Aaron Allanigue Reply

    To have sexual desires for your wife whom you married in church is not a sin. What is sinful is to have sexual desires for anyone or anything other than your wife. To prevent yourself from having sinful thoughts, you must first avoid situations that may lead to impure thoughts. A good example is pornography. In Proverbs 6:27 it says “Can a man scoop fire into his lap without his clothes being burned?”. Likewise, can anyone watch pornography without having impure thoughts? All situations then that may lead to impure thoughts are to be avoided by fleeing the near occasions of sin. Masturbation is normally a result of impure thoughts. Do you think a man will masturbate if he is dying of hunger and thirst? The key is to focus our minds to God and keep ourselves busy remembering that no one who lives in impurity will enter the “Kingdom of God”. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

  14. Barb Gauntt Kershaw Reply

    It’s perverted sex, not as God created it
    to be….between a man and a woman for to bring forth fruitfulness, (children)…can’t be fruitful by yourself, nor with the same gender…therefore sinful and against God and His ways…

    1. Brien Doyle Reply

      “…not as God created it…” I’ll need to see some evidence of this…..

      1. Brien Reply

        Waiting….

  15. Patricia Reply

    So what about single men or women whom don’t want to have sex until they remarry in church? Annulment started! And one may or may not find a mate? What then?

  16. Dan Reply

    Masturbation is adulterer because if you lust after anyone it is adultery…

    1. isabel Reply

      What if you masturbate thinking of your wife?. imagine you are in a business trip and you miss her. no adultery there, but I guess it is still a sin, or not?

      1. Doug Reply

        Masturbating while thinking of one’s spouse is indeed, lusting outside of a redeeming act of love. It is still physical lust and not love. Our culture has dimmed and convoluted the difference.

  17. Patrick Gannon Reply

    Why won’t you post my comments? There was a time when Christians claimed to have faced the lions in defense of their beliefs, now they won’t even allow posts that question their beliefs. I’m going to broadcast everywhere I can that this site – like AnswersInGenesis – lacks any courage of convictions.

  18. Terence John Molloy Reply

    Self gratification, apostle Paul admonished, get control over body. If you can’t control yourself get married. Sin is falling short of perfection. Masturbate is abuse of your body.to please God we should adhere to his righteous standards.
    Jesus also said, “if you have passion for a woman you have already committed adultery in your heart”.

  19. God first Reply

    It’s a sin.. Don’t justify this brethren

    1. goodbadand Reply

      Show us ‘sin’, as it is something we cannot see, touch or feel. It is not a physical thing, it is a mental construct, a concept created by man-kind to control the actions of the community by domineering kill joys.
      “Sin” cannot be proven. Please do not insult us with circular argument ie it is true because it is written, it is written because it is true.

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        Excellent point, goodbadand. The original Hebrew word for “sin” was an archery term that meant “to miss” or “fall short of the mark.” Given the subject at hand, I could probably make a joke or two, but I won’t. What “sin” means now in the context of this forum, is that you can’t perform a natural and healthy body function without shame and guilt.

        Paul said sin entered the world through one man, Adam; but the RCC has accepted evolution, which does away with Adam and Eve, created of dirt and ribs in a 6 day creation. It does away with talking snakes and the fall from grace and “original sin.” There is nothing else in biblical texts to indicate a fall from grace in the past 200,000 years when mankind evolved from a more animalistic to less animalistic state. If we were once ‘one with God’ it’s because we were animals. Basically the RCC is saying that it was a sin to evolve; to be a product of the process it now claims (after fighting it for a century) God put in place. There is nothing I’m aware of in the evolutionary record, and nothing in biblical texts to support the concept of original sin, outside of the mythical Genesis account. Paul believed the story as being literally true when he introduced the concept of original sin – but he was very wrong. Apparently Jesus failed to tell him about evolution in his “visions.”

        We know better now.

        1. Brien Reply

          Amazing! I asked that you specifically do NOT revert back to the gobbly-gook circular answer of quoting from spurious sources as those sources are hearsay and not verifiable. You have an opinion, and not proof, and you should be honest about that in debate. The concept of ‘sin’ is a man made construct for the purpose of control and a reason for punishment under that control.

          1. Patrick Gannon

            Brien, who is your comment directed to?

          2. Brien

            Hellooo….? ! Waiting……
            I said that there is no such thing as “sin”, that it is a ‘man’ made construct, and is in fact healthy to do by medical advice….
            Does not one of you knowledgeable scientists wish to discuss this??

  20. Patrick Gannon Reply

    Does it not strike one as odd that the Almighty, having become bored with eternity, decided to create this huge universe in order to have a relationship with one, and only one particular primate living on a particular planet in a typical solar system, in an obscure corner of an ordinary spiral galaxy, in an equally obscure corner of a huge universe, only after having directed that some 99% of it’s earliest plant and animal life go extinct, then decide to take particular interest in what this particular primate does when it takes its clothes off? Wow. Talk about bored. And voyeuristic. And creepy.

    My, how small and petty they have made this God. Here’s this incredibly powerful being that keeps track of how many times you perform a healthy, natural action so He can punish you for it. The worse part isn’t the punishment – it’s knowing that you have no privacy. You are never, ever, ever alone – not even with your private thoughts. Some “being” is watching your every move, and with particular interest when you are naked. Ewww.. This is apparently why He went to so much trouble to put us here on this tiny, insignificant, obscure piece of real estate. Or not?

    1. Aaron Reply

      So you believe that we evolved from primates? Have you found the missing link? Can you prove with absolute certainty that we evolved from primates? Would you consider existing primates today relatives? How is it that not all primates became man? Do you believe that there is a God and that man was made in the image and likeness of God? If so, what do you think God looks like? Do you think that God created man for the sole purpose of enjoying himself in this life?

    2. Aaron Allanigue Reply

      For those of us who are true Catholics, we firmly believe that the Catholic Church is infallible in her teachings pertaining to FAITH and MORALS. These sacred teachings were given by Our Lord Jesus Christ to the apostles and later handed down to their successors guided by the Holy Spirit. When the Church says that masturbation is a sin, we do not question because we have faith that the “voice” of God is speaking through our mother the Church. God out of love for man gave him a “free will” because God will not force anyone to love Him. If you think that there is no such thing as “sin” then perhaps you think yourself greater than the infinite wisdom of God, or, maybe, you are an atheist or follow a god of your choosing. Your actions during this life will determine your final destination on judgement day. On that day God will judge all according to their works, thoughts, and actions. It is with your “free will” that you choose your own path in this life, but at the end of time all truths will be revealed and no creature can question the infinite wisdom of the Creator.
      I must admit that at one time the question of masturbation did occur to me considering the so called “health benefits” but God answered me through the gospels, “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it.” Luke 9:24

      1. Patrick Gannon Reply

        You might as well take your brain out and present it to the Vatican on a gold plate. The Church does not want you to think for yourself. Would a supreme being that gave you logic, reason, intellect, etc. want you to use those gifts or simply turn them over to a bunch of virgins (well, except those that abuse children) in robes who live a highly unnatural existence? Masturbation is not unnatural – being a celibate priest is, though.

        1. aaronda007 Reply

          So you believe in a supreme being? Ultimately, who determines what is right and what is wrong? The laws of the land are based on the constitution. We have courts of law to punish those who committed crimes against the law. There must be a point of reference where the rules of right and wrong are based regardless of your opinion of them. If the law states that what you have done is a crime, then no matter how great your logic, reason, and intellect is, you still get incarcerated. A crime is still a crime even if you say otherwise. Our beliefs are based on the laws or teachings given to us by Our Lord Jesus Christ. These teachings are our guide or “constitution” regarding faith and morals. It is entirely up to your logic, reason, and intellect, etc. to obey or not.

  21. Latrell Reply

    Many of you have the “sin” thing completely wrong. It only has to do with selfless life giving love. If it goes against selfishness (focused outward- to others) then its good, but if it is selfish (focused inward) its “sin”. God created us because that is what He is. He is LOVE, and He is Creator. We are made in His Image and likeness, meaning we are Trinitarian beings, like Him. Masterbation is a sin because its selfish, period. It can be habit, which actually complicates it meaning that sometimes the person isn’t completely culpable, but otherwise its sin because can cause us to focus on ourselves, instead of on another person. We were made for other people. To love and care for someone other than ourselves. Read Trinitarian Humanism. Peace.

    1. goodbadand Reply

      “Many of you have the “sin” thing completely wrong.” Then you go on rambling some religious nonsense. Let’s go back to the original premise – ‘sin’!
      It is a man made concept to control the population! Why?
      Religion is a man made concept to explain the many mysteries of the stone ages, and to organise and control society. This is readily explained by the sciences which study religion from an objective point of view.
      If you wish to defend your particular religion/mythology then you first must provide the proof necessary to prove that a god exists! Before you attach other equally false concepts to your original concept.
      We don’t allow one false statement to be built upon another false statement in this day and age.

      1. Robert Anthony Villamor Reply

        Elementary physics states that an object at rest remains at rest until acted upon by an external force. Science acknowledges the so-called “god particle” which was apparently the catalyst for the “Big Bang.” Someone must have acted externally to start everything going. Who or what do you think that was? For me, this simple fact is proof enough that God exists.

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          Robert, that’s the classic “God of the gaps” argument, that assigns to gods things we don’t yet understand. At one time, your god was responsible for natural events that we understand today. All you’re doing is assigning to your god the things we don’t understand yet – but may understand in the future. There are a number of theories regarding the origins of the Big Bang, but just because we don’t know the answer yet, doesn’t mean your god did it. Your god once made the earth flat, the sun go around the earth, the creation 6 days long; earthquakes, floods, volcanoes, comets, etc. were all caused by your god – but no longer.
          .
          Consider the complex universe we live in. Religion tells us repeatedly that complex things don’t just happen, that there has to be a creator. If that were true, then whoever or whatever created our universe must have been even more complex – which raises the question – who created the creator? If you’re going to posit that your god existed forever, then we can just as easily posit that the universe existed before the Big Bang, and perhaps goes through a constant cycle of expansion followed by crunch followed by expansion again – we just don’t know. We know we don’t know. To believe that your god did it, is to lie to yourself, because your brain knows that it doesn’t know.
          .
          You propose that “someone must have acted externally to start everything going” and then you claim this “simple fact is proof enough that God exists.” However you didn’t prove that someone acted externally to start everything. There is no “simple proof.” None. Just because you can’t think of a way for it to have happened without your god, does not mean that your god had to be involved. He is only one of a number of possibilities, and historically speaking, things attributed to Him have been determined to have natural causes with no divine intervention, again and again and again.

          1. Robert Anthony Villamor

            The complexity of the universe alone is something to ponder about Patrick. I cannot ascribe this to randomness. How can particulate matter move on its own? And the external force I was alluding to, if not a higher being, then what is it? Even scientists allude to the catalyst as the “god particle.” From a purely logical viewpoint, if the universe came about via the “Big Bang,” then the cause of this phenomenon must have existed way before it.

            There are many things in the Bible that shouldn’t be taken literally. For example, the creation narrative in Genesis. Six days for God is most probably billions of years for humanity. I do not find any contradiction with natural evolution in it.

            We can discuss this till hell freezes over. We are at diametrically opposed poles, so we won’t get anywhere no matter how we both rationalize.

            Don’t get me wrong. I respect your opinion much as I reapect those of others both on and off this forum.

            But as for me, I believe in God. I believe that there are things beyond human understanding and better left to be passed on. Where human understanding ends, faith begins. Peace be unto you.

          2. Patrick Gannon

            Well, scientists are still debating determinism versus randomness, so the only logical position is to accept that we don’t know yet. I’m not sure what you mean by particulate matter moving on its own – there are all sorts of forces interacting in our universe. Many scientists do not like the title of “god particle” for the Higgs Boson, in the same way that early cosmologists didn’t like the “Big Bang” name. “God-particle” is not necessarily a good name. The HB gives mass to matter. It implies the existence of a field that we can now begin to observe and measure indirectly.
            .
            Let me mention another field that might exist. Let’s say there really is a thing called the soul. One day in the foreseeable future, we will have the processing power to completely map the entire brain – every single particle. We can then check and see if it it operates purely based on the laws of physics. If it does, that means no soul, or the soul has no effect. On the other hand, if it appears that a soul is interacting with the brain (our consciousness), then these particles would be acting outside the known laws of physics. However, we would then be able to measure the effects of this soul field on the brain, and at that point, the field, like the Higgs field, is no longer supernatural. It’s something for science to study. It’s no longer supernatural because its effects can be observed and measured. Right now, we can’t do that kind of computing, but the day is coming if we don’t blow ourselves up first. One day, science should be able to prove or disprove the existence of the soul, but right now, we just don’t know, so why lie to ourselves and say we do? How can it be good for our brains to create that internal cognitive conflict?
            .
            There is a major conflict with evolution and Church doctrine I think you may be missing, and that has to do with original sin. First, as you agree, the creation myth should not be taken literally. There were no first people made of dirt and ribs, no talking snakes, no trees of temptation, no fall from grace, no original sin. The problem is that the people who designed the concept – Paul and Augustine for the most part – believed in a literal Genesis, and their invention of original sin is based on their incorrect beliefs. We also know from DNA evidence that humans boil down to a gene pool of about 1000 common ancestors. There was no literal Adam and Eve who did something to get the Big Guy’s panties in a twist. There’s no place in the evolutionary record where you can say that death did not exist before Adam’s sin. That’s ridiculous. There is no support anywhere in the bible outside of the Genesis campfire story that supports the myth of a fall from grace. The only support for original sin comes from Genesis, which has been debunked in practically all respects. There was no 6 day creation, no global flood, no mass Exodus from Egypt, no conquest of Canaan – none of these things happened as documented in the bible, and this is the ONLY foundation for Yahweh.
            .
            Realizing that there is no such thing as original sin should be reason for celebration. Of course one has to get over the anger at the people who used the concept to instill guilt, fear and shame into you in the first place. We don’t have to believe, say and do the right things with regard to Jesus. We don’t need to be “saved.” This is all wonderful news, but for some people, it seems too good to be true, so they cling to their fear. Such a waste of living, in my view.

  22. PapaRomeo Reply

    Lev_15:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When any man hath a running issue out of his flesh, because of his issue he is unclean.

    Lev_22:4 What man soever of the seed of Aaron is a leper, or hath a running issue; he shall not eat of the holy things, until he be clean. And whoso toucheth any thing that is unclean by the dead, or a man whose seed goeth from him;

    2Ti_2:22 Flee also youthful lusts:

    ‘Running issue’ is basically sperm running out, whether in sleep or during masturbation in both cases can be considered as it is not specified, without sexual intercourse is uncleanness and thus sinful.

    1. goodbadand Reply

      Before you use hearsay quotes from spurious gossip sources as though they were some sort of ‘truths’, you must offer the proof that these sources are verifiable, and that your particular god actually exists.
      You cannot make statements based on a false premise.
      We await your proof as we have for thousands of years.

      1. papa1romeo Reply

        “Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: (Matt 12 38,39)
        Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (Jh 20:29)
        Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.(Heb 11:1,2) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. (Rom_8:24,25)
        (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) (2 Cor 5:7)
        But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (2 Pet_3:8)For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph 2:8,9)
        Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Rom_3:28)
        And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead. (Act 17:30,31)
        And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Mat_25:30)
        Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. (Act_4:12)
        And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Act_16:31)
        As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe. (Mar_5:36)
        May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be upon you and find mercy in that day.

    2. Patrick Gannon Reply

      “‘Running issue’ is basically sperm running out,” That’s ridiculous. You haven’t read the bible in context. The “running issue” is infection from boils and such – a real problem back in those days before they had antibiotics. Entire chapters of the OT are dedicated to health issues such as this, and it has nothing to do with masturbation. Who told you that nonsense? I can’t believe the RCC taught you that. Their justification is primarily Onan’s story – and that is a case of a man being punished for not obeying God – and not specifically for masturbation. You have to read it with a perverse mind to come up with the conclusion that Onan’s “sin” had anything to do with masturbation. This is all about using shame, guilt and fear, based on extremely personal activities, in order to manipulate weak people to the Church’s benefit.

      1. papa1romeo Reply

        Well, I try to read my Bible carefully and the context as well. The ‘running issue’ or ‘issue’ in original Hebrew, in the verses referred, is ‘zoob’ or ‘zub’ the meaning of which is “to flow freely (as water), that is, (specifically) to have a (sexual) flux; figuratively to waste away; also to overflow,” as specifically written in the Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries. From this it is pretty clear as to what it refers to. Anyway, burning with lusts and indulgences to satiate it by wrong means is wrong for any person (not necessarily a religious person) with clear conscience and heart. And Onan did not masturbated, he simply spilled his sperm outside to prevent conception. And the OT (in fact the entire Word of God) deals with something much more serious than just health issues – the SINs of man, mine and yours too and all pers born in this World and their remedies. If you do not see this then I wonder how you read your bible. By the way I am not from RCC and I see RCC as the woman described in Revelation 17. I belong to ‘the Church of the Living God’.

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          papa1romeo, I took another look at the Leviticus passages, and you’re correct that it does not refer to a boil or sore. It apparently refers to gonorrhea. Unfortunately none of the remedies suggested in that primitive time before antibiotics is going to cure anyone of that condition! The passages you referred to have to do with primitive cures for diseases, and are not a commentary on any evils of masturbation. 2Tim (written decades after Paul’s death by a forger) says nothing about masturbation.

          Let’s talk about what’s unnatural. It’s unnatural for a bunch of adult, virgin men dressed in robes to tell other people how they should conduct their sex lives.

          1. JPDibble

            Hmm… So suddenly you just pop up and say there’s no God. Hmm… That’s odd, unless you can have logical and conclusive based evidence to say there is no God, than what you say is just personal opinion. And if its just personal opinion, why are you on a CATHOLIC site unless you intentionally just wanted to start trouble?
            If you want to disprove an existence of an omniscient divine being, you would have to use what we know as philosophy… If you are truly an atheist, then I’m sure that you’ve already proven how God doesn’t exist, but I do know that Catholicism has indeed proved how God exists through numerous philosophical and physical proofs… I feel no need to immediately disclose all of the proofs due to the amount of ignorance and unintelligible bickering over religion on a CATHOLIC site…

          2. miguel

            Hey little boy. Shut up and get off the internet. You do not know anything. If you dont believe in God then why are you? Hypocritical pansy.

            Go to your mother and stay under her skirt since you dont belong here.

          3. Patrick Gannon

            Who are you referring to? Regardless, it’s more mature to debate the topic than to make personal attacks.

  23. Kathi Whitfield Reply

    What about a health issue? Doctors at times suggest masturbation as a means of controling an inflamation of the prostate gland. Also, when trying to determine fertility problems..they require a sperm sample? What then?

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Unfortunately the Church has little concern for medical benefits, preferring that both mother and child in a bad pregnancy die, rather than abort the child to save the mother. The Church doesn’t care about anything except making you feel guilty so they can keep you coming back for Confession and to drop money in the offering bowl.

  24. jovel Reply

    Omg..

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  26. Donato Reply

    2352 By masturbation is to be understood the deliberate stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive sexual pleasure. “Both the Magisterium of the Church, in the course of a constant tradition, and the moral sense of the faithful have been in no doubt and have firmly maintained that masturbation is an intrinsically and gravely disordered action.”138 “The deliberate use of the sexual faculty, for whatever reason, outside of marriage is essentially contrary to its purpose.” For here sexual pleasure is sought outside of “the sexual relationship which is demanded by the moral order and in which the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love is achieved.”

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Now how in the world would celibate men dressed in robes have any clue what “the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love” means? Even babies masturbate. It’s a normal function. What’s abnormal, and well illustrated by centuries of child rape and abuse is for a bunch of grown men to live together in opposition to how the human body evolved.

      Some of the popes have accepted evolution. We evolved to have strong sexual urges for the benefit of the propagating the species. Human population growth was practically flat for hundreds of thousands of years, so it made sense that human evolution designed sex as a powerful and pleasurable urge which drove us to procreate as much as possible, when most offspring died young. That need no longer exists and in fact has become a problem we need to address with contraception, education, health care, etc., in order to avoid drowning in our own wastes. We need to reduce our rate of global procreation or we’re all in trouble. (It may already be too late). However the evolutionary urges that brought us to this point, remain, and thanks to contraception and masturbation, we can redirect those evolutionary urges that remain. Perhaps over thousands of years, the sex drive will slowly be reduced. What we know beyond any doubt though, is that it’s normal, because it’s how our species evolved.

      Dressing in robes and hanging out with other supposed male virgins, is not normal. The clergy should stop projecting their sexual hangups on us normal people. We’re not abnormal – they are. I resent a bunch of grown men in black gowns calling normal, healthy activity that billions of people partake in as “gravely disordered action.” They are the gravely disordered. Every week in the news, it seems, another priest abusing kids or a Bishop covering it up… Let the RCC solve its own gravely disordered actions before telling others how to behave!

      1. Judy Kairys Reply

        Each person is of a different spiritual level, and mindset. When Jesus Christ was dying on the Cross, He entrusted His Mother, Mary, to John, “A Virgin”, and Jesus loved John because of this”, and John was entrusted unto His Mother, Mary, Who was also a consecrated Virgin. Jesus told Mary to behold Her son, John; and for John to behold his Mother, Mary.

        Many priests become a religious for the wrong reasons. It is not for any of us to judge. You see the results of many mentally sick priests coming out from the scandal of the Catholic Church, and the sadness of their victims where the abuse has continued with more mental illness and sadness.

        Some Priest have been married, and their spouse dies, and do choose to go into priesthood; instead of remarrying. People are exposed to life from their own families and experiences, and all Priest have a Psychology and Theology Degree. The scandal in the Church are some very mentally sick people.

        The new ordination of a religious doesn’t just take a person into the order any longer, and consecrate someone. The new way is extended over a period of nine years depending on the order, and is renewed each year. After the allowed period of time is when a religious will take final vows, and commit to the order for life if this is truly their vocation in life. If it is not their vocation; they leave the order. Most Catholic priest and sisters are not paid very well for their time and services.

        Theology of the Body should not be taken lightly, and there are many books on it. The mystery behind the veil of chastity. This is each persons free will and choice, and not each person has the same sex drive as you or another, but this is how close to God you are, and your spiritual awakening within, and the power of the Holy Spirit. A person’s personal relationship with God.

        The devil is in the Church, “all churches”, and always has been, but much more vigilant, and destructive in these present days; because so many people deny that the devil exists. Learn the Rosary to fight the devil because he does exist, and likes confusion and ruin.

        There are many good, consecrated men and women in the different Religious Orders of the Catholic Church, and the reason they are Virgins, and dress as they do is because they are of the spirit to do this, and it is not for anyone to question and mock. A Religious life is not an easy job, and to be a Priest or a Sister of Christ takes a special person. It is a discerning road, giving of ones self and time. Prayer, following doctrine, helping, caring, administering, teaching, counseling; the demands are endless. There is not enough money to pay the religious; so they can marry and have families, and the latest fashion look. This is why Catholic Priests are celibate, and most are so busy and too tired to have a life and family. Being a consecrated religious priest or sister of God is an unselfish act of love, and it takes a very special, strong individual to be able to do this. Not all of the Priest and Sisters are abusive and molesters.

        Single, and married people of the Catholic Religion do so out of free will, and love, and the Holy Spirit within. Mother Teresa of Calcutta even struggled with her spirit of belief. Marriage is a vocation. Marriage is about love and giving of ones self to their spouse, and denying ones self. Love is God, and we are here to love and serve God, and to rejoice and be with God when this earthly life is over.
        Family is wonderful if you can meet the right person. Many are consecrated singles who also practice celibacy.

        Evolution has many theories, and look what is going on in the world. Each person has a right to choose what they want to believe, and if you want to justify this theory you have a right to do so. A good many people do not believe this, because their spirit and mindset tell them different, and their relationship with God is on a different level than yours. This is where you are, and you are trying to quote different versus of the Bible, and say that the Pope agrees with evolution. God warned of the devil causing confusion in his flock.

        Change your mindset, dwell on the Spirit of God in the Holy Trinity, and avoid sin. Pray, read the Bible, discern and talk to God, hear God’s voice and follow. God will answer you; instead of you judging and trying to prove a point.

        Yes, it is a proven fact that a baby forming in the womb does masturbate, and most babies and children do explore and have sensations. It is the mindset of a baby and child who does not know any better. Age of reason is said to be at age seven. This is when children have their first Confession and receive Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, and their sins are washed clean. Life is about trying to do what is right, and you may fall with your cross, but it is in picking yourself and cross up, and carrying and walking to the end of the destination with God.

        You can quote Bible versus, and try to justify what is or what isn’t, but in the end; it is how strong your own spirit is by the power of God’s Holy Spirit within you, and how well you listened and obeyed, and loved God and all creation.

        The Commandments of God is where it says not to masturbate, and God gave Moses ten of them; although, I have heard there are more as you study deeper, but the most important ones are the ten.
        Also the teaching of the Sermon on the Mount; the Fruits and Gifts of the Holy Spirit; the Psalms and Book of Wisdom. Each person is responsible for their own soul, and if it is done for medical, or what reason someone does something; only you and God knows why, and it is not for anyone to say because in the end we all will be judged by God. It is the wise soul who follows the Commandments of God because there is less problems and baggage, and the devil is so happy that we have misery when we sin.

        Masturbation is a sin along with all the other sins that we are warned about. Only God knows your heart, and will judge you. Some religious are not guiding their flock well, but stress does do strange things to people. Again, God is the judge, but confess and work to stop doing this. There is a saying: You Break One Commandment, and You Break Them All. We are all guilty of sin, and the devil is the corrupter behind it all. That is why we must pray, go to confession, go to Church, keep God close. Let your conscience be your guide.

        We all must learn self control, and each person and their circumstances is different. It is better to listen and know Fear of God, Self Control, and the grace and blessings of a Wise person. Life is a constant labor of love and work to yourself. To Thine own self be true. You must know God, and serve and obey His laws. God wants us to be happy, and not have guilt, and He is our Heavenly Father and wants the best for us on earth, but people do not listen. Look at all the tragedy and abuse that you hear about because people do not have any fear of God, and do not believe in a judgement day. It is get for me, and no feeling for anyone, but ones self. Everything is disposable. Abortion, child, elderly, animal abuse and cruelty. Many signs are pointing to an awakening in peoples hearts. Sin and it’s consequences are entirely up to each of us. Retribution or the saying of what goes around comes around is not a laughing matter. God’s creation is not to be taken lightly or discarded, but held with love and kindness; treat another the way you want to be treated.

        In the end, your life is about you and God; not anyone else or any theories, but how well you Loved God and obeyed his Commandments. We are all sinners, but we must continually pick up our cross and sin no more. People see the speck in someone else’s eye, but they don’t see the plank in their own eye. Jesus Christ told this when he helped Mary Magdalene, and the people who wanted to stone her to death.

        There are many apparitions taking place all over the world, and Jesus Christ said this would happen, but only God knows the time, and hour and not even the Angels in Heaven know.

        God Bless You, and Pray for guidance and discernment.

        My prayers for you and all God’s creation in the world.

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          My goodness, Judy, that was quite an essay. Unfortunately I don’t have time to respond to all of it, but I don’t want to ignore it, since you obviously put much time and effort into it. You began by expressing your beliefs – that Jesus and Mary were virgins. There is no way for us to prove this, so it’s an unknown. You can have faith (pretend to know things you don’t know), but deep inside we all know that there is no evidence for a virgin birth, or that Jesus remained celibate. Mary didn’t have to be a virgin – google “Hebrew alma” which is the word from Isaiah that was incorrectly translated to “virgin” in Greek.
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          You admit the problem with sex scandals in the Church. Why do such things seem to happen at a higher incidence in religions that are more obsessive and manic in their attitudes to sex, such as the RCC and the JWs? Why do these clergy who have obsessive issues with what we do without our clothes on, have such high rates of sex abuse? Could there be something abnormal about them? I think it’s possible, and I think you allude to in in part when you mention that not everyone has the same sex drive, and that they are entitled to fair treatment. Why doesn’t that apply to LGBT people, who don’t have the same sex drives? Why do the clergy get a break? Just because they wear robes? Why are we not permitted to question and mock them, but we are supposed to question and mock LGBTs? By implying that they are different from most of us, the charge of “disordered” that they use to apply to others with different sex drives, applies as equally to themselves as far as I’m concerned. When they stop calling other human beings with different sex drives, “disordered,” then I shall do the same. It is not “normal” for most humans or most other animals to live celibate, virgin lives. That they do so does not make them “better” or “worse,” only different – like LGBTs. In the animal world practicing celibacy and retaining virginity would ensure the end of that genetic tendency over time, which must be why we don’t see a lot of that – and where we see it, the males who don’t get mates and remain celibate – do not pass on their genes, and thus, in crude terms – weed the losers out of the gene pool.
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          “Evolution has many theories, and look what is going on in the world.” What does that sentence mean? Evolution is the theory of natural selection, and there are many sub-theories about how certain processes take place, but it is a theory accepted as fact by practically all scientists (I think it’s 97%) in the world. There have been at least 3 Popes who have spoken about evolution, and their views evolved, from the first hoping it wasn’t true, to the last agreeing that it was, but that there was still an Adam and Eve somewhere. You should be able to look this up yourself. Catholics are allowed to believe in the creation fairy tale, but the scientists in the Church and the last few Popes, have accepted evolution in practically all respects except those that apply to the concept of original sin.
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          You insist that masturbation is a sin, but where does it say that in the bible? You answered “The Commandments of God is where it says not to masturbate, and God gave Moses ten of them.” I’ve read those commandments, and there isn’t a word about masturbation. There are actually 613 Old Testament Laws in the bible, and masturbation isn’t any of them. There is no biblical support for this so-called “sin.” It’s just a great tool to keep people thinking that something natural, healthy and normal is associated with guilt, fear and shame. This is a despicable doctrine; and the cause of so much unnecessary misery. (Moses, by the way, never existed – there is no evidence to support the mass Exodus out of Egypt or the conquest of Canaan. It is well accepted by mainstream scholars including Jewish archaeologists who desperately wanted to prove it – that these events did not happen as written).
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          You said, “God wants us to be happy, and not have guilt,”. If that’s true, then God should tell the RCC that there is nothing sinful about performing natural, healthy, normal bodily functions such as masturbation. God may not want us to have guilt, but there’s no question that the RCC does.

  27. Moe Reply

    In the passage referring to Onan it also goes on to say the seed he spilled on the earth is most sacred to God and his death is a warning for future generations of this fact. Also many scripture speaks of sins of the flesh namely self love!

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Moe, could you quote the scripture for that please? All I see is this:
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      ” 8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. 9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. 10 And the thing which he did displeased the Lord: wherefore he slew him also.”
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      Where in the bible does it say ” the seed he spilled on the earth is most sacred to God and his death is a warning for future generations of this fact..” I did a search for “sins of the flesh” and not a single passage mentions masturbation. The list includes, “Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,” but there isn’t a word about masturbation, is there?

      1. aaronda007 Reply

        Babies may “masturbate” not because they saw a naked baby next to their crib or they have a centerfold of Miss July of baby of the month, but simply because they are exploring new “sensations” in their bodies. For adults, it is very much different. “Normal” adults masturbate because of sexual desires, because of LUST in their hearts. I don’t see the reason why a person will masturbate because of hunger, sorrow, or thirst. If a person you love dies, do you console yourself by masturbating? The bible says “But I say to you that anyone who so much as looks with LUST at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Matthew 5:28.
        An impure thought alone is a sin how much more when actions follow.

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          I think you answered your own question when you said, ““Normal” adults masturbate because of sexual desires.” Masturbation is normal, and yes, it is based on sexual desire, something that evolved within us to allow our species to propagate and not go extinct. “Lust” which simply means ‘very strong sexual desire’ is built into us; it’s part of our human makeup. It’s not only a good thing; it was a necessary thing for our very existence. For the RCC to tell us that this healthy, normal thing is bad, is for them to say that Catholic God’s creation is bad – that Catholic God is a very poor designer. We wouldn’t be here if we didn’t have sexual lust. It’s required for our very existence, but a bunch of celibate men dressed in robes tell us its bad, as though these abnormal people know what they are talking about.
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          As for reasons why people masturbate besides lust – there are many. It provides a physical release that relaxes and makes it easier to fall asleep. It gets your heart cranking in the morning, making it easier to get up. It takes your mind off the tax payment and bills that are due and the leaking transmission, and let’s you escape into a little ‘personal time’ in order to keep your mental state stable. It can be meditative, clearing your mind of all your other worries and concerns for a while. And it’s fun. I know Catholic Bible God hates fun – look at who He chose to represent him – a bunch of virgins dressed in robes telling everyone else what they are allowed to do for fun and pleasure.

          1. aaronda007

            What I meant by “normal” are those people doing such acts with full knowledge and full consent that is why I placed quotes. There are people with mental disabilities who are not fully aware of their actions.

            Your idea of a human being is a purely animal creature without a soul. Such is the view of person who does not believe that God exists. We inherited a body that is inclined to sin because the first parents Adam and Eve sinned. That is why Our Lord Jesus Christ came to the world to free man from the bondage of sin by restoring sanctifying grace to overcome our sinful tendencies which will require our effort and obedience to God’s Will. You may argue that we evolved from primates but I challenge you to PROVE it. Tell the world of your discovery of the “missing link”.

            The soul on the other hand is directly created by God and it is what gives life to the body. A dead person has no life because the soul is no longer present in the body. I can’t expect you to believe me because your kind will only believe in something they can see, touch or feel. Only things they can quantify as they say and it is impossible for human eyes to “see” a soul which is a pure spirit without divine intervention, therefore, it would probably be impossible for you to believe that we have a soul. You cannot possibly understand that the sinful pleasures of the body will bring about death for the soul.

            It is truly amazing that you read and quote scriptures which are the “written words of God” but you do not believe in the God that “wrote” them. Could this be a malicious intent to challenge the faith of the followers of Christ? The Lord shows us what to do in such situations in Matthew 4:1-11.

          2. Patrick Gannon

            Aaronda007, a couple Catholic popes have acknowledged that evolution explains how we developed to become humans, at least at the level of our bodies. At least one pope said the body evolved, but God placed the brain in the newly evolved primate, but that argument is ridiculous and we can see that the brain also evolved. The Church allows you to believe in the Adam and Eve fairy tale, but at an intellectual level, the RCC understands that evolution explains how we evolved from less complicated to more complicated forms, and they point to the garden tale as allegorical mythology. The problem of course, is that without Adam and Eve there was no fall from grace, no original sin; so the Church, as I understand it, maintains that at some point in the past – say 100,000 years ago, there was one couple that did something to get Bible God’s panties in a twist, and we evolved from those two humans. The DNA evidence does not support this, however; indicating instead that we had about 1000 different “parents.” Explaining how this can be is a bit complicated and you apparently don’t understand evolution to begin with, so I won’t go there now, but basically you had a small group of evolving primates who interbred, reinforcing beneficial mutations through natural selection and eventually leading to us.
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            I do not need to “prove” that evolution is a valid theory. It is as factual as germ theory, the theory of relativity, gravity and other ‘proven’ theories. Nobody but a handful of scientists working for guys like Ken Ham’s Answers in Genesis, suggest that evolution is wrong – and none of them has ever put forth a scientific paper to rebut it. There simply is no evidence for Creationism. There are numerous “missing links.” You are not keeping up with the science discoveries. New transitional or interim fossils are discovered, practically on a weekly basis, and the path to our primate ancestors is clear and becoming clearer all the time. People in authority who tell you there is no proof for evolution are simply lying to you, or have intentionally remained ignorant of the truth.
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            Have you ever wondered why a being so all-powerful that He can create an entire universe, should take so much prurient interest in what we do with our clothes off? I mean He’s got billions of galaxies to tend to, but He’s going to sit and watch Johnie get off, and then mark it down on His Excel spreadsheet, tracking it until little Johnie goes to Confession and it gets checked off the list. With such an enormous and complicated universe to run, He has nothing better to do than invade Johnie’s privacy while he performs a healthy, normal activity? Seems odd and just a little bit freaky to me.
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            And the way that this all-powerful being intends to save us from our sins, whatever it was that the mythical Adam and Eve may have done a hundred thousand years ago – how convoluted is that? He impregnates a young woman (the original Hebrew word was “alma” which does not mean virgin), without her consent, with Himself, in order to be born as Himself, so that He could offer a human blood sacrifice of Himself to Himself in order to relieve us from a condition He placed on us in the first place? This all-powerful being that can create an entire universe needs a Rube Goldberg solution like that? I am not impressed.
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            You many use your reference to Matthew to accuse me of being Satan – go for it, but first “prove” to me that God and Satan exist. I can send you to the library or the museum to see fossils that prove evolution; and DNA and gene research that proves evolution beyond any reasonable doubt, using empirical, objective evidence. You can’t give me a single piece of objective, empirical evidence for God or prove that He cares what we do with our clothes off.

          3. aaronda007

            I was not asking you to prove that evolution is a valid theory but simply the proof that primates evolved into humans. I do accept that certain animals evolved, like dinosaurs evolving to birds, however, does your DNA evidence explain how primates became humans? Is it a confirmed fact in the scientific world that we evolved from primates without any reason of doubt? Show me the article in a scientific magazine stating the evidence that it is a confirmed fact that we were once primates, otherwise, what you have are only a bunch of theories again.

            Can you describe a rainbow to a person who was born blind? Can you even hope to explain the difference between each colors? We know that colors exist but for a person who was born blind can only accept this truth as faith. We were all born “blind” to the vision of God because of sin. You are like a person who was born blind asking to see a rainbow.

            You say that God does not exist. We Christians believe that Jesus is God. Can you prove that Jesus Christ did not exist and that His life and miracles in the Gospels confirming that He is God did not happen?

            Ah you said “go for it” but that confirmation came from you not I. Let me tell you an experience I had with these infernal spirits. My first encounter was a demonic possession of a body who was trying to tempt me to commit fornication. The second time, the enemy declared his presence by emitting a foul smell coming from nowhere, perhaps, to try and scare me. Calling upon the Most Holy Name of Jesus Christ and by making the Sign of the Cross, the infernal spirits were driven out instantly like canon ball from a canon. God is my witness because I do not have a picture of these infernal spirits to show you and even now I don’t think you will believe me. You simply have no idea what I have seen in these encounters to confirm their existence.

            People who do not believe in God are easy prey to these fallen angels whose mission is to take as many souls with them away from God, and they exert a great influence to the unbelievers in their thoughts, words, and actions, without them even being aware of it. They seek to spread lies and deceits throughout the world. For how can atheists defend themselves from an enemy that for them does not even exist. The only help comes from God whose existence they deny. The enemy enslaves the unbelievers by reinforcing their passions through envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed, sloth, and worst of all is pride. Pride alone can make you think that you are some kind of deity therefore not subject to anyone’s authority even God.

            To all Christians out there I give you this warning, “Be sober, be watchful! For your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, goes about seeking someone to devour.” 1 Peter 5:8

          4. Patrick Gannon

            When I include links they often don’t post my responses, but a simple search of the internet will get you pages and pages of material. I will try to summarize: The evidence, as I understand it, is that we have a common ancestor, we didn’t evolve from monkeys directly. We are cousins. First we have fossils and we can trace the path of complexity. The first primates appeared about 70 million years ago, and in rocks about 3 million years old, the first human-like fossils were found. They are smaller, with larger teeth and other dissimilarities. The first skeletons that look like us appear in rocks about 200,000 years old. We also know that if we look at any primate we see the same bones and many other similarities. 98% of our DNA is just like that of chimps, and only 2% separates us. When we look at fetal development we see that all primates develop the same and begin with gills and tails. We have “useless” structures left over that no longer serve any function, but were leftover from earlier primates. We can trace these structures back in time and find the original uses for them.
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            Evolution is proven, like any theory by making predictions and then testing the hypothesis. The scientist proposes that if evolution is true, then we should expect to see such and such a change at such and such a time, and then somebody digs up a fossil that confirms the hypothesis – again and again and again… Einstein’s theory of general relativity was proven in the same way. He made a prediction about light curving around bodies like the sun and tested the hypothesis during a solar eclipse. Scientists try again and again, to this very day, to disprove his theory, but can’t. They do the same thing with evolution. We also have DNA and we’re learning more about it all the time as computers speed up and we can decode the genome faster and faster. We see that our DNA has a close relatedness to the great apes. The further removed we are from another species, the less the DNA relatedness. At this point, it’s a scientifically established theory treated as fact given the overwhelming amount of evidence so the burden of proof is really on you, given the libraries and museums full of evidence. Now let’s take a look at some things you need to prove:
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            “We were all born “blind” to the vision of God because of sin.” Prove that. Prove a) that God exists, and b) that “sin” is a valid concept. The original word, by the way, meant to fall short of the mark – it’s an archery term. You suggest that a blind person has to accept color on faith. I disagree. A blind person can learn how light works, the wavelengths and frequencies that make it up, the way a prism splits out those frequencies, the way they are or are not absorbed or reflected by different objects, and so forth. In this case the blind person is not accepting that colors exist by faith, but by good, solid evidence. Give me good solid evidence of the same quality, that God exists, even though I can’t see Him and like a blind person, I can accept that based on evidence.
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            Next you are asking me to prove that Jesus did not exist. Frankly, I think there’s a pretty good chance that Jesus, like several other Jewish messiahs of the time, had a following and went around the region preaching against the clergy (everybody seems to forget that). However when it comes to things that violate the laws of our physical matter reality, the burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim – and of course there is no empirical, objective evidence that Jesus did any of the thing attributed to him. The earliest documents (copies and translations) we have that were written about him are dated to hundreds of years after his death. No originals for any of the bible have ever been found. You say he walked on water – fine, prove it. I say there’s a fine china teapot floating in orbit around Jupiter too small to be seen by our telescopes, but it’s definitely there. Is the burden on you to prove the teapot is not there, or is the burden on me to prove that it is there? Who is making the unlikely claim? That is the person who holds the burden of proof.
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            The psychic experiences you discussed appear to originate in the brain. There are good explanations for these delusions and we’re learning more about them all the time. Apparently the brain sort of mixes in stimulus from internal memories into real-time information flow that is part of the stream of conscious self-awareness, mixing with input from normal stimulus like sight, sound, etc. so that it seems to be real, but is manufactured by the brain.
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            A minor point regarding atheism. Atheists don’t “deny that God exists.” Technically an atheist lacks belief in personal deities. That’s not quite the same thing as denying that they exist, but I grant you that it’s close, and some atheists hold to a denial, which I would agree, is a belief I don’t share. I don’t deny any god’s existence, I simply have no evidence for gods. I prefer the term agnostic, which says, “I don’t know.”. I don’t know if gods or afterlives exist, given that there is no evidence to support either, but if you can prove it, I’ll be swayed by solid evidence.
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            Interesting that you finish up with a quote from 1 Peter. Most scholars think this epistle was written after the year 100 CE, and there’s no way Peter would have been alive then, given that the average lifespan in those days was about 35 years. Also Peter was a poor fisherman who spoke Aramaic, yet the original language of the epistle is polished, advanced Greek – and it’s highly unlikely that a man with no education would have written it. The epistle is referred to by scholars as pseudonymous, which is a polite way of saying “forged” by someone writing in his name – a common technique in those days. The same is true of the Tim epistles, said to have been written by Paul, but almost nobody thinks they were.

          5. aaronda007

            The evidence of which you speak, is it the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE of apes turning into humans? When you say “common ancestor”, do you mean that this common ancestor was still an ape? because according to your understanding humans evolved from this ancestor, correct? Did this ape give birth to monkeys on one side and humans on the other side? Is that why you call monkeys your cousins? We share similar DNA not only with monkeys but also with fishes, fruit flies, round worms, etc. to varying percentages but never a 100 percent. Does your evidence show how DNA from this ancestor ape became human DNA? That is precisely the empirical evidence that I want you to show me. How is it possible for an ape to give birth to a human being?
            You say that a blind person can learn how light works (I was referring to a person who was born blind). Would he even know what light is? all his life he only knew of darkness so how can you explain the difference between light and darkness, and even attempt to explain the different colors of light? You need eyes to see light. Explaining to him something that he cannot PROVE himself that such a thing exists is NOT solid evidence. If he believes you, it is called human faith. You really are quick on making assumptions. You may not know the rule to never “assume” because you make an “ass” out of “u” and “me”.
            You would at least admit that Jesus “may have existed” because you can never prove that He did not. You do not believe in the miracles because as you say, there is no empirical objective evidence, but, you believe that apes became humans and yet, until now, you have not shown me empirical evidence of apes evolving to humans. Why is that so? If you have such an evidence, upload it to YouTube so I can watch it when it is available. I do mean EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE (not THEORIES) good enough to be presented to a scientific community.
            You say that I was having “delusions”, well, that comes from your point of view but not a proven fact. You are entitled to you own opinion.
            You said “Most scholars think this epistle was written after the year 100 CE”, is not solid evidence that it is true (it may be just you saying that), therefore, your conclusion that “there’s now way Peter would not have been alive then” to prove that it was not St Peter who wrote it is not valid. You make a lot of twists and turns in your interpretations to make it appear as “truth”. This is simply called deceit.

          6. Patrick Gannon

            aaronda007, I guess you didn’t bother to look up the meaning of the word empirical: “based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.” Evolution has been confirmed by observation with numerous transitional fossils that illustrate the development of modern man and other organisms. There is a clear path from less complex to more complex, and more gaps in the story are filled in all the time. Evolution is proven by experience, meaning predictions. Scientists conjecture that if evolution works in such and such a way then we should find this or that at this or that time – and then we “experience” it by discovering those fossils that prove the prediction and in turn, the theory. It’s the same way germ theory or the theory of gravity or general relativity are proven. In your case, you are attempting to prove the existence of gods and afterlives using theory or attempts at logic – you have absolutely no verifiable observation or experience that I am aware of.
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            You also don’t seem to understand the concept of the common ancestor. We go back to an early shrew like creature, and from it all the animals we know developed over millions of years – about 70 million to be more exact. At some point in our past an ancestor developed and from it sprung monkeys, apes, humans. We did not evolve from monkeys or apes – we are their cousins; separate twigs on the same branch. We share a common ancestor. If you don’t understand this, take an online class on evolution, then come back and discuss it. I can’t teach you evolution in this thread.
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            Yes we share DNA with other creatures, and the further removed they are from us, the less similar the DNA is. We can trace the DNA trail way back in time to single celled organisms. Our DNA is not as similar to fish as it is to apes, otherwise we would know that we recently evolved from fish. That’s not what the fossil evidence or DNA evidence indicates though – it indicates that we are cousins to other primates – that we share a common ancestor.
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            I can admit that Jesus might have existed, and some of that is based on obvious cover stories like being born in Bethlehem. Jesus was from Nazareth and it seems people knew this at the time, so they had to concoct a way to get him to Bethlehem because that’s what the prophecies foretold – so Matthew and Luke came up with competing stories to make that happen. It seems odd that they would do this unless there was a real reason for having to do so – like cover up the fact that Jesus was really born in Nazareth. You wouldn’t do that for an imaginary person, but if there was a real Jesus and enough people knew he came from Nazareth, then you have to come up with a way to get him to Bethlehem to be born first. That’s one of several examples where it seems as though things happened that indicate a real person may have had a following as he went around ranting against the clergy. There is also mention of him by Josephus, so it seems likely that there was such a person – but we don’t know as we have no direct empirical (observed or experienced) evidence. This is just theory or pure logic and may be wrong. It could have all been made up.
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            The assertions regarding the authorship of Pete and the Tim’s you could have easily checked out by going to Google. Wikipedia is a good place to start, but there are many articles dealing with this subject. An expert on the subject, a man whose life is dedicated to studying the ancient manuscripts is Bart Ehrman. Read some of his books, like I have. You didn’t even bother to attempt to fact-check me; you just assumed I was wrong. Your charges that I am deceitful would have a lot more weight if you came in with some sources to indicate that I’m wrong. I’ve been studying this for a long time – you’re unlikely to catch me in a lie; an error perhaps, but not an intentional lie. I have no need to do that – there’s plenty of information out there, the problem is most Christians don’t actually know anything about their own religion. How many times have you read the bible cover to cover as I have?

          7. aaronda007

            I guess that you also didn’t bother looking up for the meaning of “evidence” which means undeniable proof. Evidence in this case would be to show how the DNA of this common ancestor (supported by tangible proof) evolved to become the human DNA that we have today. The fossils that you refer to do not give any information as to when human DNA actually evolved and its origin. Scientific conjectures do not count as evidence because as you say, they are conjectures and conjectures cannot even be presented in court as evidence. Do scientists even have an idea what the DNA of this common ancestor is? Can you show me the DNA of this common ancestor (with supporting documents where it was taken) to prove that it really existed? How it changed to human DNA?That is what I call evidence. Without that evidence, your theory cannot be proven as fact.

            You said that “I can admit that Jesus might have existed…” and then you said “the fact that Jesus was really born in Nazareth…” At first your statement shows uncertainty if Jesus did exist, and then you later claim that Jesus was really born in Nazareth is a FACT. This is proof of DECEIT.

          8. Patrick Gannon

            Well, actually aaronda007, I don’t think you bothered to look up the meaning of “evidence” which was right at your fingertips with Google or some other dictionary. Evidence: “the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.” Note that it does not say anything about “undeniable proof.” It says “indicating.” Juries acquit or convict suspects all the time based on evidence that “indicates” what happened, but ‘evidence’ in and of itself is not “undeniable proof.” What you look for is the preponderance of evidence, the trail of evidence, the objective quality of the evidence, the amount of evidence, the reliability of those who produced or the techniques that produced the evidence – you look at all these things, and more in order to “indicate” whether something is true or valid. There are tons of overwhelmingly, indicative pieces of evidence for evolution – and none of it for Creationism, that I am aware of. What do you think happened? All the other animals and plants evolved, but Bible God actually created two humans out of dirt and ribs, and then a talking snake made a mess of things? Seriously? Even the popes don’t believe that anymore.
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            We have tangible DNA evidence. It isn’t foolproof, and the further back in time you go, the lower the quality, however here’s just one paragraph out of a discussion about the subject on Wikipedia. I encourage you to research further on your own:
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            “Ancient DNA studies on human remains[edit]
            Due to the considerable anthropological, archaeological, and public interest directed toward human remains, it is only natural that they have received a similar amount of attention from the DNA community. Due to their obvious signs of morphological preservation, many studies utilised mummified tissue as a source of ancient human DNA. Examples include both naturally preserved specimens, for example, those preserved in ice, such as the Ötzi the Iceman (Handt et al. 1994), or through rapid desiccation, such as high-altitude mummies from Andes (c.f. Pääbo 1986; Montiel et al. 2001) as well as various sources of artificially preserved tissue (such as the chemically treated mummies of ancient Egypt).[27] However, mummified remains are a limited resource, and the majority of human aDNA studies have focused on extracting DNA from two sources that are much more common in the archaeological record – bone and teeth. Recently, several other sources have also yielded DNA, including paleofaeces (Poinar et al. 2001) and hair (Baker et al. 2001, Gilbert et al. 2004). Contamination remains a major problem when working on ancient human material. In November 2015, scientists reported finding a 110,000-year-old fossil tooth containing DNA from Denisovan hominin, an extinct species of human in the genus Homo.[28][29]
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            In response you your question, yes scientists do have an idea about the DNA of our common ancestor. Here is a good description of the process – I have to modify the link or they won’t post it: www(dot)exploratorium(dot)edu/evidence/lowbandwidth/INT_ancient_dna(dot) html

            You are attempting to shift the burden of proof to me, when referring to Darwin’s Theory of Natural Selection as my theory. It is not my theory, and there is enough evidence (indicative) to keep you reading for quite some time, if you really care to understand the subject. At this point, the theory is so well proven and accepted, that the burden of proof has shifted to the Creationists. Unfortunately they have not submitted any peer reviewed papers supporting their views to notable scientific publications. If the theory of evolution is wrong, then somebody should be able to write a paper to refute it that is based on scientific principles. I am aware of nothing significant in this regards. If there was a credible scientific paper refuting evolution and confirming Creationism with actual, good, objective evidence, there would likely be a Nobel prize at stake and all of us would know all about it.
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            Wow, you sure got me on the nit-picking. I try to remember to include the phrase “if he really exists” when referring to Jesus and other biblical or even historical characters – we don’t know for a fact that Socrates existed, for example. No, I do not claim that Jesus was really born in Nazareth as a “FACT.” That’s silly, and I’m pretty sure you know I didn’t mean to imply that. The bible says he’s from Nazareth, but I wasn’t there, and neither were you. We don’t know for sure – nobody does. What we do know, to bring this back around to the OP, is that Jesus, IF HE EXISTED, never said a word about masturbation.

          9. aaronda007

            The link that you wrote is entitled “Extracting DNA from Neanderthal Bones”. This article does not say that this Neanderthal is the common ancestor, it only explains how to extract DNA from Neanderthal bones. It would be very misleading to say that this is the common ancestor but as you say, an idea. How many times must I repeat myself? The evidence that I want you to show me (with tangible proof) is how DNA from the real common ancestor changed to human DNA. The critical point is the change from non-human DNA to human DNA. Like something not human give birth to a human baby (which sounds like a fairy tale to me). You like to explain a lot of things but never the undeniable proof that I want you to show me or prove to me that human DNA evolved from something not human.
            You deny saying this from your earlier comment? “It seems odd that they would do this unless there was a real reason for having to do so – like cover up the fact that Jesus was really born in Nazareth.” I do, however, agree with what you said that claiming that Jesus was born in Nazareth as a fact is silly because you and I weren’t there and nobody does for sure. The big question is WHY DO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT JESUS BEING BORN IN NAZARETH AT ALL? Deceitful isn’t it?

          10. Patrick Gannon

            You suggested that we couldn’t test ancient DNA. I provided a link to show otherwise, so now you know the technology exists. The OP is about masturbation and you’re not paying me anything to teach you evolution. You can do this online yourself and I encourage you to do so.
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            In some sense, or to some degree, Neanderthal man is an ancestor as a certain percentage of modern humans have neanderthal genetic material. There were at least three, and some say more, different early ancestors of humans. We are mostly drawn from one of those lines, but have DNA from others, so we know our species hadn’t divided so much that they couldn’t breed.
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            We have leftover DNA from a wide range of creatures that were in our evolutionary path, including fish. We are basically fish + time. We have transitional fossils that show fish emerging from water, growing limbs, and becoming land animals. We can trace this path all the way to ourselves using a number of different criteria that all come up with the same answer. This is not the forum for me to teach you evolution, and it’s not my area of expertise, but I clearly know much more about it than you do. Go do some research so you understand basic concepts first and then we can talk intelligently. Of course if you understand what you study, you will no longer be questioning me.
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            DNA did not change from human to non-human. That wasn’t something that happened overnight – but took at least a million years. There isn’t anything in the DNA code I’m aware of that we can point to and say – “that’s what makes us human.” We simply know that we have remnants of DNA from all the creatures that were in our evolutionary path. You can believe to your heart’s content that this is not so, but I think you’ll find that there are some Popes who disagree with you/ and certainly many Catholic scientists. The struggle they face, is how to defend the concept of original sin in light of the fact that there was no first couple.
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            No, suggesting that Jesus was born in Nazareth instead of Bethlehem is not deceitful. What deceit am I propagating with that idea? Deceit: “the action or practice of deceiving someone by concealing or misrepresenting the truth.” In what way did I conceal or misrepresent truth? I certainly didn’t originate this idea. Scholars have long understood the problem with getting Jesus to Bethlehem to be born, given that the apparent general consensus at the time was that he was in fact from Nazareth and this appears to be what a substantial number of people believed. Thus the gospel writers had to make things fit. That they had to do so, actually gives credence to the idea that there really was a man named Yeshua with some sort of ministry at the time. That the stories conflict with each other, tells us that they were mostly fabricated, and we can’t trust what they say.
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            Until you demonstrate a basic understanding of evolution, I think I’m finished with this line of questioning.

          11. aaronda007

            First of all, I did not not suggest that we couldn’t test ancient DNA as my comments above show. I did say that the link that you provided only explains how to extract DNA from a neanderthal bone. You are very misleading in your statements. You have failed to show me how human DNA evolved, how it came to be human DNA from non-human origins. It is you who do not understand that to prove that man “evolved”, you must show where human DNA came from and how it became human DNA through evolution. You say that it did not happen overnight, then, there must be a SPECIFIC point in time in your human evolution theory where human DNA must appear to start the human race.The question which I have been repeatedly asking is, what creature could have possibly given birth to a human baby? Only the parent DNA and the DNA of the offspring can show this. The best you can show me is how to extract DNA from a neanderthal bone which does not prove anything that man evolved from a common ancestor that you said where monkeys and apes also came from, which is why you call monkeys your cousins. No proof, then your theory is a fairy tale no matter how many people you claim to disagree with me.
            I have realized that it is POINTLESS to talk about Jesus and scripture to person who does not believe that God exists. Faith is a gift from God. Faith has nothing to do with empirical evidence being the first requirement to have faith. It is foolish to discuss the “written word of God” to a person who does not believe in the God that “wrote” them in the first place, and so I admit, I have been foolish. Why are there people who do not believe in God, and yet would even like to read and quote from scriptures that they don’t believe in? I can only find my answer in scriptures and I see why the devil does the same thing quoting from scripture (Matthew 4:1-11).
            I can only leave you with this food for thought.
            Unbelievers can be certain that death is real and requires no empirical evidence.
            Unbelievers cannot be absolutely certain if hell exists or not, so they simply choose not to believe because this will require empirical evidence.
            Unbelievers will then have to WAIT for death and see what happens after that to be absolutely certain.
            If hell does not exist, then the unbelievers are SAFE (safely extinct perhaps since they don’t believe in an afterlife).
            If hell does exists, then they will have to face the CONSEQUENCES because it will be too late by then, unless, it is exactly the place where they want to be.
            To all who read this, you decide which path in life is best to follow. It is the choices that we make now that will determine the outcome at the end of our life. Life is short. Many people have died in their sleep and other unforeseen circumstances. Who knows when your time will come? Decide quickly before time runs out.

          12. Patrick Gannon

            I swore I was finished with you, but I’ll give it one last shot. You just don’t seem to grasp the importance of time. Many people have trouble with this aspect of evolution. We think in terms of minutes, days, weeks, years, decades,and some of us can grasp centuries, but evolution takes place over hundreds of thousands of years and more. Let me give you an example. Let’s say that I have a time machine. I take you back 1000 years, and you will be able to breed with the humans of the time. I take you back 10,000 years and you should be able to breed with them. I take you back 20,000 years, and continue the experiment. At some point, you will not be able to breed with your ancestor. However we can take the ancestors that are 10,000 years apart and they will still be able to breed with each other at any point along the spectrum. As long as they don’t get too far apart in time and evolutionary differences, they will still be the same species – but there will come a time when they will not be able to breed with their ancestors. There wasn’t a magical moment when we became “human;” it happened over 10s of thousands of years and more. There was no “first human” in the sense that its parents were a different species – it just doesn’t work like that.
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            I don’t get the feeling that you really want to understand the subject, but if you are so inclined as to want to understand this, I would recommend a book called: “The Ancestor’s Tale: A Pilgrimage to the Dawn of Evolution. As I mentioned earlier, whether you accept this or not, several Popes have accepted it. They allow you to continue to believe in the fairy tale, but they know how it works. This issue is going to create another Galileo incident for the Church. They are wrong, they know they are wrong, they know evolution destroys original sin, but just as they strung out Galileo’s assertion that we weren’t the center of the universe, so too will they string out the assertion that some event in our past caused original sin. They aren’t stupid. They know this is a problem and I don’t see any answer to it besides continuing to obfuscate. The next decade or so are going to be interesting as the DNA evidence gets stronger and stronger and more and more fossils continue to be found.
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            As for the rest of your post, what it boils down to is that you don’t know any more than I do. You say you are safe from Hell if you believe, while I might not be, but you have no way of knowing if you will go there because Allah is the god you were supposed to believe in, or Shiva, or one of the other thousands of gods that have been worshipped since the dawn of man. You have nothing at all with which to prove that your pretension (which you call faith) is the right one. You pretend to know that you believe in the one true religion, but your brain knows good and well that there’s no evidence to support that belief, and that you are lying to yourself in saying that it is so. Get in touch with your brain, and stop lying to it. Admit you don’t know. Nobody knows. Let’s figure out how to deal with not knowing, rather than dealing with lying to ourselves.

          13. aaronda007

            The fact of the matter is that you have no definitive proof how humans came to be humans. You have no proof where human DNA originated and how it came to be, therefore, you cannot say that humans evolved from a common ancestor is a fact. Until then, your tale remains a fairy tale.
            You admit that you do know any more than I do. I say… wait for it. DEATH will prove who is wrong. Don’t worry, death may come sooner or later but it is very certain that it will come. When it comes.. we shall see whose belief stands up to the test. So again I say… WAIT FOR IT!

          14. Judy

            Patrick Gannon – You were at one time a Catholic and the Sisters/Nuns taught you. So you did not believe, and chose another path. You are more than entitled to do this. You testify to the evolution theory, and talk about this continually in your posts. You have a right to do this also.

            Each person determines their own way in life. No one owes you anything, let alone proof that God exists because this is something that you must learn and grasp on your own.
            Have you ever been in a Military War? Many strange things happen in this World, and their is Divine Intervention, but you must seek it to be blessed with it. The soldier who’s life was spared from a fatal gunshot to his helmet because all of his wife’s letters were in his helmet. I could write a book on all of the stories. We are all on different levels of spirituality.

            The Catholics have the Saints, and no matter what has been done to each of us; as we all have been hurt in this life; remember the Our Father Prayer. Forgive to be Forgiven. Therese Nuemann was a very interesting lady, and many WWII Soldiers visited her when fighting in Europe. Have you ever read her book? Do so, and seek out some of the Saints and pray to God and the Saints intercession. Therese said that the United States of America would not be a world power in the end times. Knowledge is good for the mind, but in this day and age it is being used for the wrong purpose, and the devil is causing wrong teachings. I see you searching, but the devil is blinding you with questions and proofs. Faith is not proved, but something that is brought about by your belief in something. A person’s spirit or sould chooses faith. Just as St. Thomas the Doubter found out, when he saw Jesus, and was told to put his hands in his wounds. Jesus did Rise from the Dead. Look at how many people believe and follow in the theory of Jesus Christ in this day and age.

            The Book of Enoch tells all about the Angels who fell from God, and came to earth which corrupted DNA, and why there was a great flood. Our DNA is again being corrupted.

            Einstein toward the end of his life did not deny that God existed.
            The Catholic Religion is a very hard religion to live by, and so many people have fallen away. It demands going to Church, Confession, Communion, Sacraments, and we all are weak in our practice. Religion is a lot of hard work. Have faith, and pray. The reason the Church and many religions are this way is that the devil does exist, and is very cunning, deceitful, and a liar, and wants souls for his army, and loves unhappiness.
            People want a God of Love. We have Human emotions and are weak. To not sin, or sin and repent is a lot of hard work. A clean conscious is better than the sin or easy way out.
            Anything that is worth anything in life is a lot of hard work. Keeping your body clean, being well groomed, teeth brushed and cared for, having your clothes clean, shoes and socks clean, house clean, clean nails, so on and so forth. You must do the same for your soul, and we are all weak, tired sinners.

            The Book the End of the Present World and the Mysteries of the Future Life is a recommended book; which St. Theresa Martin read, and commented on. St. Theresa the Little Flower.

            No matter what; you are you, and living this life the way you want, but remember we all will die, and as Einstein said when he got nearer to that time; he did believe in an Almighty God.

          15. Patrick Gannon

            Thanks for writing, Judy. Your post includes some inaccuracies. First, you grin gup prayer to the saints. Experiments such as the one conducted by the Templeton Foundation have failed to indicate any evidence that prayer works beyond mere coincidence. Have you ever wondered why no amputee has ever grown back a limb, no matter how hard they prayed? Show me an amputee whose limb grew back as a result of prayer and then we can talk.
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            You say that a person’s soul chooses faith. First, there’s no evidence that we have a soul. It looks more and more like consciousness emerges from the brain, and is an illusion. Second, faith is just pretending to know things you don’t know. If you knew them, you wouldn’t have to believe or have faith in them – so to have faith is to lie to yourself about believing things your brain knows it has no evidence for.
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            I see no evidence for gods or devils, but I always thought it was interesting that Yahweh kills millions of people in the bible, while Satan doesn’t kill any – unless he kills Job’s family with God’s blessing. It’s interesting that in Gnostic bibles, “God” is actually a secondary god and He’s actually the bad guy responsible for the misery on earth.
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            You’re going to have to provide some evidence to show that Einstein believed in “God” as you understand that word. If anything he believed in a pantheistic God (the New Age idea that god is all that IS), but he did not believe in a personal god, and spoke against that god on more than one occasion. He was blasted by Christian ministers of the day for not being a proper believer.

  28. miguel Reply

    Who is the author of this article again???

    OH YEAH!!!!! Thats right he’s not a Priest. So tell us Mr. Writer, why should we believe you when youre not a Priest?

    For all we know you could be leading us yo believe that masturbation is not a sin – so we will sin of masturbation.

    Heck maybe youre with the enemy down below and nowadays im not surprised. There are enemies in the Vatican in today’s time.

  29. Gil Reply

    This is insanity; and obsene to boot. I’ve read the bible from cover to cover countless times in my 50 years and never once have I read any such thing in there.
    Subjective interpretation is just that; a single human being’s opinion. Claiming that this means “God said it” is lunacy.
    When a person is alone what they do is between them and God ALONE. And there are passages that suggest that neither: God Himself, nor any of His angels, are actually present when we are alone; suggesting that God Himself feels that what we do in the privacy of our own company is none of His business. And if God feels that it’s none of His business what business is it of anybody else.
    Furthermore, God made science, medical science has found that complete absence of stimulation to adult genitalia results in a variety of sexual health issues; some of these can prove life threatening. eg: prostate cancer
    I will conceed here that I feel that pornography is a vile abuse of the economially vaulnerable and spiritually uneducated and that any who provide a demand for these abuses are committing terrible crimes against these poor souls.
    Neglecting propper care of the temple God gave you is also a sin; not marrying shouldn’t have to mean a death sentence by slow agonising disease caused by neglect of care.

  30. Titus Reply

    There is no where the bible talks about masturbation so for me in itself is not a sin against God remember sin is not what we think is sin. sin is what God called sin

  31. Patti Reply

    Carry on regardless. What do you think priests do when they are not abusing children You got it in one.

  32. Curious Reply

    As a woman, what about doing masturbation because of our menstrual cycle?

  33. Rubawathi Reply

    Most Preferred Christian Matrimony

  34. ma.gina bahala Reply

    Some verses from Proverbs,
    The testimony of the liar is not believed, but the word of someone who thinks matters through is accepted.. Righteous people are sure of themselves; the wicked have to pretend as best they can. Human wisdom, brilliance, insight- they are of no help if the Lord is against you.
    Foolish people dont care if they sin, but good people want to be forgiven.
    Conceited people do not like to be corrected; they never ask for advice from those who are wiser.
    Intelligent people want to learn, but stupid people are satisfied with ignorance.
    Do you want to avoid death? Reverence for the Lord is a fountain of life….

  35. Michel Paul Marie Reply

    Masturbation, fornication, lust, copulation or whatever U may call it, is what it is. No more no less. Given also by God, or nature, or life..As such nothing is bad.God/lifes creation is always good. Is a hammer bad because one could use it to kill!!!There are no objective sins! The sin is in the intention/in ones conscience, and only if this intention is purposly against LOVE,But how do you define what love is.! By the way, before talking abt SIN, what is a sin for you, for the clerics, for the scientists? If you are a believer, you must believe that Jesus came to redeem the sin of the world. So we are saved! Be a happy catholic christian, if you can believe it. Im happy to be a catholic christian.

  36. The Viking from Yorkshire Reply

    I’m disappointed this came on a Catholic page. Though I’m not a Roman Catholic myself, I expected that you would understand that in speaking of the BODY being the temple of the Holy Spirit, Paul was speaking about you as the Church – not you individually. Individually, your bodies are *members* of Christ (as he also writes), but your individual body is not the body Paul speaks of.

    The confusion is caused by the loss of “thou” in relationship to its plural “you”. A better way of writing this today would be in the slang “do yous people not know that yous’ body is the temple of the Holy Spirit?” In older English consider:

    Thou art not thine own. Thy body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. This equals (when spoken to me) “I am not my own. My body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”. Paul did not write this, and if you examine the original texts and language they will confirm this. They say “You are not your own. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”, which answers to “WE are not our own. Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit”.

    Of course our bodies, personally are still members of Christ, and as such we should avoid immorality. Yet our bodies are not the temple, except collectively as our body. That is how I understand this passage. For WE are one body, into One Spirit were we ALL baptised, and “For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.”

  37. Thomas Paul Murphy Reply

    When you masterbate you seed the defective mind of the devil with knowledge that will only be temporary or a better word to describe that nature would be “transient knowledge.”

  38. Patrick Gannon Reply

    “Lot’s seed was wasted on the ground”? I don’t think so. Go read the bible and get your facts straight. You mean Onan, not Lot, and his sin wasn’t masturbating (he was having intercourse with his dead brother’s wife). His sin was refusing to obey God by not impregnating his brother’s wife. He wasn’t jerking off.
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    And, “The semen of men is the Holy Spirit..” Seriously, the Holy Spirit is made of semen? Wow the good nuns never told me that. They just said I’d get warts and go blind. They didn’t tell me my semen was the Holy Spirit. If I’d known that, I’d have contributed even more!!! That’s a new one. Got a reference for that?
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    I don’t recall any reference to interactions between Lot and Satan. Lot was visited by angels, and he gave up his virgin daughters to be raped so the townspeople would leave him and his guests in peace – and they call Lot a righteous man… I don’t care what the times were – it’s immoral to hand your daughters over to be gang raped.
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    Where in the bible does it say Satan is mentally retarded?

  39. DEREK Reply

    what if I am physically separated from my wife or husband, and I am seeking relief from lustful thoughts, and possibly immoral acts with others?

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Do what comes naturally, and enjoy it. No shame or guilt is necessary for performing a natural, healthy function, regardless of what celibate, virgin men dressed in robes tell you.

  40. John Smiley Reply

    As I do not want Prostate Disease or Prostate Cancer, I choose to masturbate 4 time a week as the Urologists suggest. God will understand.

  41. Brandi White Reply

    WOW, how sad some of the responses are. If you KNEW Jesus then you would know what is wrong and right. It’s sad that most of the people that claim to be Catholic and attend Church weekly do not really KNOW who Jesus is. Going to Church and then doing whatever makes you happy or feels good is not going to get you into Heaven. I wonder how many of you have read the bible, have fasted, have fallen to your knees asking God to help you know what HIS will is for you?

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      What’s so special about heaven? The bible says next to nothing about it. All we know is that we lose free will. (Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven – that’s Yahweh’s will, not ours). Of course we would have to lose free will; we would have to be turned into mindless zombies, else those of us who are humane and decent could never find joy while knowing billions of people were being tortured for all of eternity simply because an all-powerful Yahweh got His panties in a wad because an all-powerful being couldn’t have what He wanted.
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      Or in suggesting that not believing what you believe will not get us into heaven, are you really threatening with Hell? That is the Catholic way. It’s all about fear of Hell and not joy of heaven.

  42. Pita Usuh Reply

    There are a lot of behaviour we cannot put before the least, our wives or girlfriends due to shame and what could be described as immoral. What is not moral in a society is also blinded in Heaven as such. The description of the act in question as contain in the Bible suggest that it is not good and a sin. So stay away from luste….. It’s a sin

    1. Christopher Briggs Reply

      I am afraid your English leaves me completely confused. I don’t understand what on earth you are trying to say. What is blinded in heaven? I should have thought everything were visible there.

      1. Jonathan Reply

        I think she means that by the time you get to heaven you’ll have turned yourself blind by all that jerking off.

    2. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Nowhere in the bible does it specifically say that masturbation is a sin. This is a rule created by disordered, celibate virgins dressing up in robes, as part of their maniacal obsession with sex. The idea is to fill you with guilt so that you will go back to the organization for absolution, when it was that organization that gave you the guilt in the first place. It’s a con job. There is no shame, and it is not immoral. It is a healthy, natural function. The shame and immorality comes from those who would unnecessarily fill us with guilt for their own selfish purposes.

  43. Ltee Reply

    Masturbation is a sin, It’s actually a demon that possess a human with lust and is addictive

    1. Christopher Briggs Reply

      @Ltee and where do you get this from? Certainly not the Bible. Some direct line of communication you have with the Almighty we’re not privy to? Do enlighten us.

  44. Patrick Gannon Reply

    test test . my posts aren’t being accepted. have I been blocked?

  45. Thomaspj Poovathinkal SSP Reply

    USE COMMON SENSE. Or ask Jesus The Lord and get the answer. Why have a troubled conscience?
    The POINT IS why one does it?

  46. roland Reply

    It becomes a sin because of the intention – personal gratification.

  47. roland Reply

    It is a sin because of the intention – personal gratification.

    1. Patrick Gannon Reply

      Personal gratification is sinful? So if I have a scoop of ice cream or buy a Reece’s Peanut Butter Cup because it gives me personal gratification, that’s the same thing as masturbation? Eating a scoop of ice cream for personal gratification will send me to Hell?
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      I would love to see a study that compares the health of the prostate gland for those who do and don’t masturbate. All the articles I’ve read in the last few years indicate that it is a very healthy thing to do, with many benefits beyond lubricating the prostate. It’s exercise, it helps you relax, it helps you sleep, it takes your mind off other things for a while. It’s normal and healthy and the only thing disordered about it is the celibate virgins dressed in robes and insisting we call them “Father” despite having voluntarily removed themselves from the human gene pool. Evolution and DNA evidence have debunked original sin (passed on by sex). This is the greatest challenge facing the Church right now, because no original sin means no need for the Church, and no justification for them telling us what we can and cannot do with our genitals.

      1. Thomas Reply

        You seem to be an authority on evolution. According to you how does the DNA molecules know that there is light outside that eye is to be formed or oxygen outside that lungs are to be formed for a human to survive? How is it that the engineering of our brain is so complicated that even our own brain has not yet grasped it fully. So human brain is the most intelligent thing or DNA molecules the most intelligent?

        1. Patrick Gannon Reply

          DNA molecules don’t “know” anything, Thomas. They are molecules, collections of atoms. They are not self aware. Although, not the best analogy, DNA molecules are better thought of as a computer program or byte based code, perhaps.
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          I like that you used the word “yet” in saying our brain is so complicated that even our own brain has not “yet” grasped it fully. We are learning quickly, though. And you have inadvertently supported the idea that “we” our self-aware consciousness, are our brain. “We” emerge from our brain, just as design and processes emerge from DNA instructions or coding. Without a brain, there is no consciousness, and given that the brain dies, there can be no life after death. It’s pretty straight forward, once we understand that consciousness emerges from the brain, which in turn was assembled by DNA instructions, and designed by natural selection over billions of years.

          You asked which is more intelligent, but you can’t compare a human brain with DNA molecules. You can compare organs with organs or molecules with molecules, but they are different things, existing at different emergent levels. Brains emerge from molecules. Molecules emerge from atoms, which in turn emerge from quantum fields; and those might emerge from something else, like strings. We don’t know “yet.” So the question of which is the more intelligent, an organ or a molecule, is not itself, an intelligible question. “We,” the quality referred to as self-aware consciousness, that emerges from the brain, are where the intelligence resides.

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