When discussing prayer with His disciples, our Lord said, “This is how you are to pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread and forgive us the wrong we have done as we forgive those who wrong us. Subject us not to the trial but deliver us from the evil one’” (Matthew 6:9-13).
A similar version is found in Luke 11:2-4. Both versions do not include the ending sentence found in the Protestant version, “For thine is the Kingdom, the power, and the glory now and forever.”
The “For thine…” is technically termed a doxology. In the Bible, we find the practice of concluding prayers with a short, hymn-like verse which exalts the glory of God. An example similar to the doxology in question is found in David’s prayer located in I Chronicles 29:10-13 of the Old Testament.
The Jews frequently used these doxologies to conclude prayers at the time of our Lord.
In the early Church, the Christians living in the eastern half of the Roman Empire added the doxology “for thine…” to the gospel text of the Our Father when reciting the prayer at Mass. Evidence of this practice is also found in the Didache (Teaching of the Twelve Apostles), a first century manual of morals, worship, and doctrine of the Church. Also when copying the scriptures, Greek scribes sometimes appended the doxology onto the original Gospel text of the Our Father; however, most texts today would omit this inclusion, relegate it to a footnote, or note that it was a later addition to the Gospel. Official “Catholic” Bibles including the Vulgate, the Douay-Rheims, the
Confraternity Edition, and the New American have never included this doxology.
In the western half of the Roman Empire and in the Latin rite, we see the importance of the Our Father at Mass. St. Jerome (d. 420) attested to the usage of the Our Father in the Mass, and St. Gregory the Great (d. 604) placed the recitation of the Our Father after the Eucharistic Prayer and before the Fraction. In his Commentary on the Sacraments, St. Ambrose (d. 397) meditated on the meaning of “daily bread” in the context of the Holy Eucharist. In this same vein, St. Augustine (d. 430) saw the Our Father as a beautiful connection of the Holy Eucharist with the forgiveness of sins. In all instances, the Church saw this perfect prayer which our Lord gave to us as a proper means of preparing for Holy Communion. However, none of this evidence includes the use of the doxology.
Interestingly, the English wording of the Our Father that we use today reflects the version mandated for use by Henry VIII (while still in communion with the Catholic Church), which was based on the English version of the Bible produced by Tyndale (1525). Later in 1541 (after his official separation from the Holy Father), Henry VIII issued an edict saying, “His Grace perceiving now the great diversity of the translations (of the Pater noster etc.) hath willed them all to be taken up, and instead of them hath caused an uniform translation of the said Pater Noster, Ave, Creed, etc., to be set forth, willing all his loving subjects to learn and use the same and straitly [sic] commanding all parsons, vicars, and curates to read and teach the same to their parishioners.”
This English version without the doxology of the Our Father became accepted throughout the English speaking world, even though the later English translations of the Bible including the Catholic Douay-Rheims (1610) and Protestant King James versions (1611) had different renderings of prayers as found in the Gospel of St. Matthew. Later, the Catholic Church made slight modifications in the English: “who art” replaced “which art,” and “on earth” replaced “in earth.” During the reign of Edward VI, the Book of Common Prayer (1549 and 1552 editions) of the Church of England did not change the wording of the Our Father nor add the doxology. However, during the reign of Elizabeth I and a resurgence to rid the Church of England from any Catholic vestiges, the Lord’s Prayer was changed to include the doxology, and this version became the standard for English-speaking Protestants.
The irony of this answer is that some Protestants sometimes accuse Catholics of not being “literally” faithful to Sacred Scripture and depending too much on Tradition. In this case, we see that the Catholic Church has been faithful to the Gospel text of the Our Father, while Protestant Churches have added something of Tradition to the words of Jesus.
I am 63 and will be cradle to grave. I do not like it all even though I say it.
I heard someone say that catholic priest are not supposed to forgive sins, in the bible, JESUS said to the disciples, which ever sin you forgive, are forgiven. Which ever you retain, are retained. The priest are GOD’S ordained disciples on earth and so carries same grace. As for priest not getting married, it based on total submission to the work of GOD without any disturbance. Yes we call our priest father, that’s because since they don’t marry and bear children, they refer to us as their children in the biological way and not the spiritual way. ALMIGHTY GOD remains our father and KING. Calling a priest father is. In the ordinary term. Catholic for life.
“When we hear the Lord’s Prayer recited, we usually hear emphasis on the words kingdom and will. It sounds like this: “Your kingdom come, your will be done” (emphasis mine).
We can subtly change the meaning of wording by altering what we accentuate. Try praying it like this: “Your kingdom come, your will be done” (emphasis mine). Whose kingdom—yours or God’s? God’s! In prayer, you submit your will and your territory to God. You bring your burdens before Him, not as an equal, but seeking and expecting His will to be done and His kingdom to prevail. You will be able to look back and say, “When I started to pray about this, I was praying the way I saw things. But as the weeks became months, I started praying differently because I came to see things God’s way. That reality changed what I asked for and the way I asked. Now I want what God wants for my life.”
Sometimes prayer changes things—and sometimes prayer changes me. And I start to pray more in line with what God wants than what I want. Prayer is part of the furnace God uses to fabricate His will. Praying puts us where He can work on us. That’s why we pray in submission, “Your will be done.”
Submission comes before wide-open prayer. Let’s be honest—many of us ask for silly or selfish things, or maybe we insist on our own way. But God doesn’t rule by committee, so through prayer, we submit and align our wills with God’s. That’s why Jesus said, “If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you” (John 15:7). That’s not an open, unconditional invitation to ask for whatever you want, no strings attached. When you get yourself to a place of true submission to God, you can ask whatever you wish because you won’t ask for dumb stuff. You want what He wants, because your will is submitted to His.
We pray for God’s will to be done “on earth as it is in heaven.” How do you suppose God’s will works in heaven? If God says to the angels, “Build some more mansions,” do you think they respond, “We’re tied up right now,” or “We’ve got some supply problems, and the permits aren’t coming through”? I’m going to suggest that in heaven things happen exactly the way God wants, on time, every time. So when we pray, “Your will be done,” we’re declaring, “God, we long for it to be like it is in heaven. We want our lives to reflect the state where what You want happens on time, every time.” That’s a prayer of submission.”
Source: James MacDonald, Walk in the Word
This Protestant says “say whichever version you fell is best for you to say”. I will never criticize a Roman Catholic for omitting the doxology which I myself use.
I went to Catholic schools and this is what we were taught as the “Our Father”, so I am kind of confused here.
Our Father who art in Heaven,
Hallowed be thy name;
Thy kingdom come
Thy will be done
On earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread;
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us;
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
This is the Ancient Orthodox Priest’s doxology after the Lord’s prayer is chanted before Holy Communion. The Scriptures – written by and for the Early Church- include this ..AND importantly, the prayer in Greek is “Deliver us from the Evil One” meaning Satan and all of his minions. No such thing as “evil” floating and without personification in the person of Lucifer the one who fell from the heights of heaven because of his pride.
It’s same here where I attend church that “for thine is the kingdom the power and glory are yours forever & ever, Amen” . And this came to be a new of years ago, I believe it was part of the council of Pope John 23- ecumenical?
Teresa, that is only in the New Rite of the mass. In the Old Rite, that doesn’t exist,
Actually Teresa, that phrase was added to the Liturgy at Vatican II. The Tridentine Mass does not. The Pater Noster ends with the altar servers responding Sed libera no a malo. (But deliver us from evil.) The phrase “for they kingdom…..” was added to appease the Protestants. The Novus Ordo liturgy is a Protestant service. There are many more changes in the liturgy. New Mass is a different Mass than the traditional Mass before Vatican II.
Hmmm…we do say, “For the Kingdom, the power and the glory are yours, now and forever,” in response to the priest’s words, “Deliver us Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ,” which is said right after reciting the Our Father during Mass. So we may not tag the Our Father with the doxology, per se, but we do say something similar afterwards.
Yes, because at Vatican II it was decided that the Church, the Holy Bride of Christ, should resemble more that whore which is the Protestant Heresy. The Mass, the Sacraments, the Catechism and Canon Law were completely overhauled to please the Protestants and Jews who participated at VII and helped rewrite the Mass.
Actually, it’s more because of the Liturgy of St. John Chrystosom, used in the Eastern Catholic Churches for over a thousand years. At the end of the Lord’s Prayer, the priest says, “For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the glory, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, now and unto the ages of ages.” And the people respond, “Amen.”
This doxology is not a Protestant importation, but a valid prayer which has been part of a Catholic Divine Liturgy – a Divine Liturgy as valid as the Tridentine Mass, or the Mass of Paul VI – for centuries. Kindly don’t insult your fellow Catholics by suggesting otherwise.
Strange that you condemn the Protestants when it is Catholic Doctrine that often strays from the word…
I have an NIV, a King James, and a Catholic Bible, and there are some interesting similarities…all three quote Jesus as having said “Call no one father but your Father in heaven”, but Catholics call their priests and pope father. It was explained to me that Catholics do that because Paul had said that he was like the father of the Church. Paul isn’t my Savior, Jesus is, and whether you are Catholic or Protestant, the faith is called Christianity.
Catholics do not allow priests to marry, although they could for centuries, and there is nothing in the words of Jesus that says they cannot. Paul says that you should not….but again, Paul isn’t the Savior, Jesus is. Jesus chose Peter to be the foundation of his church, and Peter was married. The Bible doesn’t mention his wife, but it does mention his mother-in-law, and we know how you get those.
No where in any of my Bibles, does it say Mary Magdeline was a prostitute, yet Catholics, because of one Pope, still slander her name. All the Bible says about her past was that she had demons and Jesus healed her….that hardly makes her a prostitute.
The Bible says that Jesus had brothers and sisters. A Nun told me Catholics believe that Mary remained a virgin until she died because when told by the angel that she would have a child, she said she had known no man….she was single, and hadn’t known a man yet….but after Jesus was born, there was no reason for her to not consummate her marriage with Joseph, it would be going against the foundation of the First Covenant, and Catholics still today promote marital intimacy. I was told that the children they spoke of in the Bible were his cousins…John the Baptist was his cousin, the people who wrote the Bible knew the difference.
No where, in any of my Bibles, does it say that a man can forgive your sins, or that saying Hail Mary will give you atonement. God forgives sins, and Jesus is the one who intercedes for you, not some Saint, or his Earthly mother.
Catholics translated the Bible to Latin because it was a dead language and being the only ones who could read it, gave Catholic Priests power over the word. Jesus sent out 72 followers to preach the word and he gave them the gift of tongues (language) so that their audience could understand. The Catholic Church actually had the first two men who translated the Bible into English, burned at the stake….that hardly sounds like the Christian thing to do….of course, history is full of the Catholic Church doing things that do not at all reflect the words of Christ.
Jesus said to the , when you forgive ? their sins they are forgiven, but when you retain their sins they not forgiven. Apostles. The Bible is very on this. Going forward, confess your sins to the elders in the church ⛪.
Confess your sins to God. But do it through another person.
The official Canon of the Bible was constituted in 325 AD at the council of Nicea. Before that there were soo many writings that went about. Meaning there is a part that is neglected if you only and only employ the Bible as source of Revelation. The greatest problem with the Bible is that it is written in a very simple language that every body think they can interpret and in so doing, they fall in massive errors. Bible should be interpreted bearing in Mind the context and what message the inspired author wanted to put forward. For instance, when Jesus says, ” who is my mother, who are my brothers….” Was he not perhaps giving a message that blood relationship alone is not enough for one to join into the new family of God but rather listening and doing the work of God??
As you say “Jesus is the one who intercedes, and not some saint or Earthly mother”.
So it means that no earthly being has the right to prayer or intercede for any one.
So it’s very much clear the Protestant Churches are the biggest hypocrites. Since they should not be going places and shouting to the tip of their voice screaming and pretending to over the Gathering.
So pls explain under whose authorisation are they doing it?
Are you sure?
I don’t believe with your very literal knowledge. I have faith in Jesus through the teachings of my Catholic faith even though I DONT KNOW EVERYTHING LIKE YOUR TESTIMONY.
I see no where in the bible where it says go out and make different denominations where people can’t get along and agree on things…lol
Yeah right, so now you know more than all the Catholics in the world, and you are more than all the authority that established the teachings. Congratulations.
I am astounded that you say that protestants do not recognise the Church as the Bride of Christ, and that you use the word “whore” to describe protestant interpretation of Christ’s church, and that you infer that Vatican 11 accommodated “protestant heresy”. Did not Vatican 11 also encourage ALL Christians to reach out one another? This kind of language is not helpful for those of us who are of other denominations in Christianity who wish to see Christ’s One , Holy , catholic and Apostolic Church as truly “ONE”. Your language is hurtful and does not help to bring about that unity of Christ’s church that we all desire.
I am not to worry or arguing who is right or who is wrong or who is following the Bible either Protestant or Catholic we all believe in Jesus our lord the only son of god what I am worried right now is this guy anh Chung Hong spreading around the world that he is Jesus and his wife is the mother god he is like a thief snatching people and make them believe that he is Jesus and you will be surprise how faithful they became they believe the lie than the truth so why Catholic and Protestant always arguing what is written first while this guy anh Chung Hong twisted the Bible and make a lot of people believe him so please stop arguing get together and stop this impostor from claiming he is Jesus save your people
The key is afterwords makes it a seperate prayer and we say a lot of prayers afterwords
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